♪ [VHS hiss] [Marvin] Here's a huge caterpillar we saw crawling across the street today.

[bugs hum] Put your hand down there, Papa, so we can see how big he is in relation to your hand.

[Marvin laughs] [Music begins] [Katy, voiceover] It's summertime, and we're back in the South.

My dad is behind the camera.

He's filming his dad.

A man who built houses, tilled fields... inspired grandkids.

[young Katy] Mystery caterpillar.

[Katy, voiceover] I'm ten years old.

[Papa] He's about five-and-a-half inches long.

He answers to the name of Stephen.

[indistinct chatter] [Katy, voiceover] My younger sister is completely revolted.

[young Kelly] Ew.

[Katy, voiceover] I am, too.

[Papa] Those are eggs on his back right there, I'll just betcha!

[Katy, voiceover] But I would die before I showed that to anybody.

[indistinct chatter] [Papa] Look at the camera.

Say smile!

[Katy] Ow!

It bit me!

[Marvin] No, he doesn't!

[Papa] He's not actually pinching you, he's using his legs to hold on.

You don't want it?

[Katy] Get it off!

[Papa] Get it off?

[Katy] Ew, it's biting me!

[chatter] [upbeat music] [Katy, voiceover] Me and my family?

We're Californians.

[Man] Here we are at the La Brea Tar Pits.

[Katy, voiceover] We are young-earth creationists.

Bible believers.

My parents are professional Christians, and my dad has the answer to every question.

He's the person who taught me that evolution never happened.

Millions and billions of years?

That's a scientific misfire.

The earth is thousands of years old.

It's all written down in the Book of Genesis.

[raindrops fall, birds chirp] Bible stories were not just kid stories.

They were to be taken seriously.

[waves crash] [thundering music] [Booming Voice] God looked upon the earth and behold: It was corrupt.

The wickedness of Man was great upon the earth.

[Deep Voice] God said to Noah, I am going to destroy all people.

And the earth!

[moaning and gnashing of teeth] [British Voice] But God did see one man in the world who obeyed the Lord's Word.

This man was Noah.

[Deep Voice] Mankind had condemned itself to extinction.

[Creationist] You know, if you were to ask an evolutionist, Where's the evidence for evolution?

Where's the evidence that the earth is millions or billions of years old?

The answer will invariably be, "In the rocks and fossils."

But if Noah's Flood really happened, it would have laid down the rocks and fossils.

[Deep Voice] In all the Land, only Noah and his family were righteous.

They alone would survive.

[British Voice] And the Lord appeared again to Noah.

He promised him that He would never again send a Flood to destroy the earth.

And they praised God and thanked Him.

♪ ♪ [bugs hum, wind blows] [footsteps crunch] [Chuck] One that got away.

Just another fossil nibble.

Boy, it sure cuts nice.

[Chuck] Hey, Barb?

[Barb] Chuck?

I'm just takin' my sweet-ass time.

[Chuck] Here's the tail.

I went ahead and uncovered it.

[Barb] Ooh, nice.

[Chuck] Isn't that pretty?

[Barb] That is pretty.

[music plays] [Katy, voiceover] I'm 35 now.

And I'm the cameraperson.

I no longer believe in the Flood.

I no longer talk to my father.

I can see things more clearly when I'm filming them.

So I started bringing my camera here.

I'm trying to wrap my head around geologic time.

I've learned that Western Kansas is really a dry seabed.

It sat underwater for 35 million years.

Long before the story of Noah was written.

Long before humans even existed.

[rock hammer hits chalk] My friend once dug up a dinosaur, and it went for two hundred and twenty feet.

So, we just keep going... and hope we get lucky.

[Tom] So he's a real creationist, your father.

[Katy] He's a genuine-- [Tom] Full-blown... This is it.

Just what this book says, and that's the way it is.

[Katy] I was that way, too.

[Tom] Were you really?

[Katy] Yeah.

I believed everything my dad told me up until a certain point.

It's weird to grow up and realize that the bedrock of your beliefs isn't what you were taught that it was.

[Tom] Isn't bedrock, but a bunch of mud.

[Katy] Yeah.

There's more pieces.

The vertebrae.

It's been laying here for 80 million years.

And, you know, you... [Katy gasps] [Tom] You dig it out.

[Katy laughs] That's so cool.

[Katy] Okay, so give me some advice.

What should I--how do I deal with my father?

[Tom] How do you deal with your father?

I have no idea how you deal with your father.

[Katy] How do I meet him halfway?

[Tom laughs] I don't think you can!

Have you interviewed him?

[Katy] I haven't done that yet.

[Tom] You should.

He has his side of the story, too.

And we both know he's wrong.

[Katy laughs] But you need to interview him.

And you should tell him you love him.

Do you tell him you love him?

[Katy] No, it's, we--yeah, no, we, we... [phone rings] [Peggy] Hey, Katis!

[Katy] Hey, Mom.

[Peggy] How you doin'?

[Katy] I'm good.

[Katy, voiceover] My mom is kind of on the fence about the Flood these days.

So I tell her everything I'm learning.

[Katy, on phone] The Cretaceous Sea was the most dangerous sea of all time.

[Katy, voiceover] I want her on my team.

I want her to believe me.

[Katy, on phone] The chalks get eroded, and so these little bits and pieces will stick out.

The biggest find from yesterday was a coprolite.

You know what that is?

[Peggy] I don't know.

[Katy] Fish poop.

[Peggy chuckles] [Katy] It's, like, 85 million years old.

I'll send you a picture.

[Peggy] I wish I could be with you!

[Katy] I would love to take you out here.

I'm out here with all these nerdy dudes.

They are such nerds.

Dad would love them.

[Peggy laughs] [Katy] Other than the fact that they... he would call them evolutionists.

But, like, they're so similar in a funny way.

And I was like, how cool would it be if I were here with my dad doing this?

[Peggy] Mm-hmm.

[Katy] Instead of hanging out with somebody else's dad.

[Marvin] Here's my mowing outfit.

Here's Katy's outfit for the day.

[Katy, on phone] He's not like an active person in my life.

[Peggy] Yeah.

[Katy] He doesn't effectively exist in my life.

[Marvin] Move over, Kelly, I wanna get Katy now.

[Peggy] You are part of him.

You are his daughter.

[Marvin] Hi, Katy!

Want to say a few words?

[static] [Bill Bright] How I praise the Lord.

How I rejoice in God my Savior.

For he took notice of his lowly servant girl.

And now generation after generation, forever, shall call me blessed of God.

And she continues.

She was-- [rewind scrub] [phone rings] [Katy] I think Dad taped over one of our home videos.

[Peggy] Oh, dear.

[fast forward scrub] [Crowd] Christ is risen indeed!

Christ is risen indeed!

Christ is risen indeed!

Christ is risen indeed!

[cheers, whistles] [Katy] Do you think I can just call him on the phone?

I don't need to... It doesn't need to be in person, does it?

Or email him?

Maybe I'll call-- write him an email.

[Peggy] And make it, you know, point by point.

[Katy] Mm-hmm.

What if I went and filmed with him?

[Peggy] Whew!

That's interesting.

Um... [Katy] I can't tell you why, but for some reason me talking to him with a microphone as a mediator feels a thousand times easier than me just calling him up and saying, "Hey Dad, I want to work on our relationship."

[Peggy] Go for it.

Do it.

[Katy] Okay.

You don't think it's gonna [bleep] things up any worse?

[Peggy] No!

That's not possible.

[Katy chuckles] [Peggy] Jump in.

May be some rapids, but hey.

[laughter] [music swells] ♪ ♪ [Katy] Alright.

[Katy] I have these little microphones.

Can I stick this on you?

[Marvin] You giving someone the third degree?

What's, what's this about?

[Katy] No... [Katy laughs] [Marvin] I promise to tell the truth, part of the truth, and nothing-- nothing less than most of the truth.

[music plays] [Katy, voiceover] I grew up in the foothills of the San Bernardino Mountains.

You can still see the abandoned headquarters of Campus Crusade for Christ from my parents' backyard.

Campus Crusade brought my parents together.

And, up until a point, kept my family very tightly knit.

But that was a long time ago now.

[Pastor] It's the death of Jesus.

It's the resurrection of Jesus that gives us access to the Father.

That's why Christ said, in Matthew 26... [Marvin] You don't want any?

[Pastor] "This is my blood."

[Katy] Not right now.

[Pastor] I also love that song Nothing But the Blood of Jesus.

"What can wash away our sin?"

"Nothing but the Blood of Jesus."

And another song: The Blood Will Never Lose Its Power!

If you want your guilt taken away, if you want to know that you'll go to heaven when you die, would you raise your hand up right now, wherever you are?

Let me pray for you.

Maybe there's some of you that are Christians, but you've done things you know are wrong before God.

Maybe you're even beginning to face the consequences of it.

If you raise your hand, even if you did not, stand up, and we're gonna pray together.

Others are standing, by the way, so you won't be alone.

Just stand up.

God bless you.

[door opening] You guys watching the screen, you stand up as well.

Wherever you are, just stand to your feet.

[church music plays] [Singer] ♪ On the hill of Calvary... ♪ ♪ [Pastor] I confess my sin.

[Katy] Where were you?

[Peggy] I was at church.

I found this.

Is this yours?

[Katy] Yes!

Oh!

[Peggy] It was in my car.

[Katy] What was your sermon about?

[Peggy] It was about love.

[Pastor] Amen.

God bless each one of you.

God bless.

You can be seated.

[applause] You can be seated.

[playground noise] [classroom chatter] [Marvin] You're gonna predict the number of drops it takes to raise the level of the water one milliliter.

How many drops will you have to squeeze in there?

You think it's gonna be twelve, you think it's gonna be twelve.

What did you think?

[Student] Twelve.

[Marvin] Twelve.

And if it turns out that your prediction is wrong, is that bad science?

[Students] No.

[Marvin] Nah.

We make predictions all the time.

And then we correct, as we do our experiment, and get a better sense of what's right.

[Marvin] Guys and gals, I saw people put the two up there, but then when they multiplied, they didn't add the two to their answer.

And so they got it wrong.

That's a tiny mistake, but tiny mistakes are kinda like a high dive.

You know, you jump off the high dive, you're a hundred feet in the air, you've gotta hit the little bowl of water down there.

[whistles] [splat] [laughter] You hit the edge of the pool... Oh.

You were so close!

Yeah, but close isn't good enough.

You'd better hit the water.

Same thing here.

Four fives is twenty.

Carry the two.

What's next?

[Student] Have a good weekend, Mr.

Scoggin.

[Marvin] Thank you.

You too, Kev, have a great one, buddy.

Bye, sweetheart.

See you.

Bye, sweetheart!

[Chuckles] [Student] Mr.

Scoggin?

[Marvin] Yes, ma'am.

[Student] Why are you retiring?

[Marvin] Because I'm old.

[Student] No, you're not.

[Marvin] No?

You know why I'm retiring?

[Student] You look like-- you look like 42.

[Marvin] Oh, no, I am 42.

[Student] You are?

[Marvin] Tell all your friends that I'm 42.

The reason I'm retiring is because my daughter and her husband are moving to Virginia.

And guess who's going with them.

[Student] You.

[Marvin] My granddaughters.

Elly and Lily.

Elly just had her birthday yesterday.

She turned five years old.

[Student] I'm so happy for her.

[Marvin] Thank you.

And so I can't be away from them.

"Red and yellow, black and white.

They're all precious in His sight.

Jesus loves the little children of the world."

Dale Evans.

That's, that's in a statement.

That's my view of people.

Has been for most of my life.

[music plays] [Katy] How do you apply your Christianity in the classroom?

Well, I apply it... Because I am a Christian from the inside out.

And so, my hope and prayer is that the very way that I handle people and respond to people and deal with people would be a manifestation of Christ in me.

Because I face situations where I know what my tendencies would be if I were not constrained by my relationship with Christ.

It's a good thing for all that I have that faith relationship.

♪ [playful giggles] [laughter] [ukelele strums] [Katy] This is your natural habitat?

[Andrew] Yeah.

[guitar strums] [Andrew] Oh, I forgot I had a mic on.

It's really weird.

[Katy] Sucker!

[guitar strums] [Andrew] ♪ Ooooh ♪♪ [Neighbor] Andrew?

[Andrew] Yeah?

[Neighbor] No way!

[Andrew] Yeah.

[Neighbor] You don't even know me, but I live at the end house there, and I watched you grow up.

I mean--ah.

[Andrew] Oh, wow.

This is, this is-- [Katy] I'm his aunt.

[laughing] [Neighbor] You are?

[Katy] I'm Katy.

[Neighbor] No way.

I didn't think Katy existed.

You left home when-- out of high school, and you never came back!

[Katy laughs] [Neighbor] You didn't!

[crickets chirp] [dinner table chatter] [Kelly] These carrots are really good.

[Peggy] It's because your daughter cut them up.

[Kelly] My daughter did?

Good job, Elly!

[Peggy] She cut up all the things in the salad.

[Elly] And I know all the vowels.

[Marvin] You know all the vowels?

[Elly] A, E, I, O, U. A. All have sinned and consumed of the glory of God.

B. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou should be saved.

C. Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.

D. Depart from evil, and do good.

[light claps] Yay!

That was excellent.

[indistinct chatter] ♪ A, B, C, D, E, F, G Jesus died for you and me ♪♪ [Marvin] Yay!

Good singing.

I'm amazed how talented you are.

You can eat a cookie and sing a song... [Andrew] How does she memorize all of that stuff?

That's crazy.

[Marvin]...at the same time.

How do you do that?

[Andrew] Like, do they jam that into their heads, or does she just have that good of a memory?

[Marvin] Oh, no, she's got a good memory.

[Andrew] That's really crazy.

[Elly humming] [sprinkler cycles] [morning birds chirp] [Katy] I don't quite know what to say to Dad.

What to talk to him about.

I go into his office to look for ideas.

My mom says it looked like a storage container in their last house, too.

There's one text of Dad's that I'd like to find because he wrote it.

All I remember is that it has a red cover, and it was really important.

[Peggy] Wait a minute.

Oh!

Oh.

I'm outta here.

[Katy] But there are more pressing matters.

Come back in!

Like the family move that is starting to loom.

[Peggy] I think that in a long weekend, we could get rid of 90 percent of this stuff.

Has to do with all the stuff with Campus Crusade and things that we don't need.

[Peggy] Who knows?

Oh, these are pictures.

That's the big hair.

[Katy] Oh my god.

[Peggy] This is you.

All American.

Looks like...there!

There he is.

[Katy gasps] I'm pro-life.

Life is for everyone.

Conservative.

No government is good government.

Capitalistic.

Heterosexual.

That was your boyfriend.

[Katy] Weird.

[Katy] This was my teenage Bible.

[Peggy] Did you underline it?

[Katy] Oh, yes.

I read the whole thing.

[Peggy] Really?

[Katy] Oh, yeah.

[Peggy] Watch your head here.

And these are pictures.

These are pictures of... Yeah.

Lots of stuff back here.

[Singing choir] ♪ We are one in the Spirit We are one in the Lord And we pray that our unity May one day be restored ♪♪ [Student] I'm being trained with thousands of others here at Campus Crusade as a part of a Great Commission Army.

[Student] God is real, and Satan is real.

And we are, we're fightin', you know, a supernatural war here.

[Student] Have you heard the Four Spiritual Laws?

Law One says God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life.

[Student] Law Two states that man is sinful and separated from God.

Thus, he cannot know and experience God's love and plan for his life.

[Katy] You went, like, deep in.

[Peggy] Well, I think at that time, when I went to college, I was very unsettled.

A lot of kids were.

I had, like, a spiritual conversion that was very real to me.

[Bill Bright] This great Cotton Bowl here in Dallas, Texas, is filled with more than 80,000 students and older adults who are dedicated to helping change the world.

Write me.

Bill Bright... [Billy Graham] Thousands of young people throughout the world are searching for purpose and meaning in their lives.

The old-time Gospel is relevant to this generation.

[Peggy] I can't deny it.

It was very life changing.

At the time, I wanted to talk about it to people.

I know it sounds really weird, but it was very real.

[Katy] There's us.

Missionary family.

[Peggy] Yeah.

[Katy] Headquarters.

[Peggy] I look at these things, and I think, "Oh my gosh.

That was me?!"

[Peggy and Katy laugh] [Peggy] It's weird.

[Katy] But you're still... [Peggy] Yeah, I'm still a Christian.

It's just like, I have a broader playing field.

You know, people evolve.

[Katy] You think so?

[Peggy] Yeah.

[Katy] Do you think Dad could evolve?

[Peggy] When hell freezes over.

But you can still talk.

[Peggy] Here's, uh... "Intro to Islamic Civilization."

[Katy] That's college.

[acoustic music] I'm twenty-one.

Blossoming in college.

Revealing myself as no longer Christian was kind of like practice for coming out.

They're all crazy.

Thrilling.

And terrifying.

Especially on trips back home.

We live on a dead-end street.

I had this one anthropology class about evolution.

It blew my mind wide open.

And there's the mountains.

I woke up one morning with one set of beliefs, and I went to bed that night with a world-crumbling realization: All around you!

The Flood could never have happened.

My mom was worried I might throw the baby out with the bathwater.

But I could never go back to being a Believer.

[Pastor] Oh, yeah?

You've got your God?

"Well, I'm God.

And I'll take God on."

Wow.

Careful now what you wish for.

Because if you get in a fight with God, you're gonna lose.

Just know that.

If you're fighting with the Lord, you're gonna lose.

If you're running from the Lord, you're gonna lose.

Cyril Barber.

He was my, he was the librarian and the professor that sat down with me and-- He was British.

Explained to me what a thesis was.

I had to write a thesis, and I thought, I don't even know what a thesis is.

He said, "A thesis is a proposition put forth for debate."

Okay.

[Katy] M. Div.

What's that?

[Marvin] My Master of Divinity.

That was my blood, sweat, and tears in seminary.

All my papers and notes and assignments.

This is my thesis right here.

[Katy] I remember it being red.

[Marvin] "The Meaning of the Matthean Exception Clause."

Maybe someday, when you're having trouble falling asleep, you can just pull this off the shelf.

You'll be sawing logs before you know it.

Here it is.

Definition of Terms.

Hypothesis, my hypothesis... [music plays] [Katy] What's the Matthean Exception Clause?

[Marvin] Well, there's no exception to what Jesus said.

He said if you divorce and remarry, then it's, in effect, committing adultery.

So He's just saying, look, when you marry, it's for keeps.

I say it's like being astronauts in a space capsule.

And you're off into space, and you can't just say, at some point, "I'm outta here," and open the door and walk out because everybody dies.

You just don't do that.

You know, you're together for the length of the mission.

And the mission is life.

So the--if you want the-- the release clause is in Romans 7, when one of you dies.

Now you're free!

And in Heaven, I'm not saying you won't have a relationship with the people you knew on Earth, but it's gonna be different.

There is no sin.

There is no suffering.

There is no wrongdoing.

[Katy] Do you think I'm going to Heaven?

[Marvin] I believe that anybody that places their faith in Christ, just like I place my faith in Christ, goes to Heaven.

Jesus--that's what Jesus said.

He said, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.

[Katy] So Jews and Muslims are going to Hell.

[Marvin] Not all Jews, not all Muslims.

[Katy] Jews for Jesus aren't.

But the rest of them are going to Hell!

I have a problem with that.

[Marvin] Well, I do, too.

You know what I do about it?

[Katy] What?

[Marvin] I do what Jesus and the Apostles said to do: Every person who will listen.

Tell 'em.

Every person who will listen.

Tell 'em.

Let 'em know.

Who is God, [Katy sighs] what is His nature, and... [Katy] I've just met so many other fervent believers who buy their own version of reality.

[Marvin] Oh, sure.

[Katy] Faith... [Marvin] That's always been true.

[Katy] Life after death, or the lack thereof.

[Marvin] It's story.

It's all story.

Mine is story, the atheist's is story.

Any of the people you've talked with, it's all story.

Go into a court case.

Go into a courtroom.

What are the lawyers doing?

They're telling a story.

They're using the evidence they have available, and they're telling a story.

They're telling two very different stories.

One of them is true, and one of them is not.

[Katy] Is it--is it weird for you to have people that you're so close to who are nonbelievers or who are questioning?

[Marvin] It's not weird at all.

It's not weird.

[Katy] Or sad or uncomfortable?

[Marvin] Oh, it's something that-- I pray for you and for every family member every day.

[music plays] [Marvin] I'd give up everything I have.

Everything.

If it would result in these people that I love seeing and understanding.

♪ [pages turn] [Peggy] "The breakdown of marriage: Adultery, Divorce, Bill of Divorce, Frequency of Divorce..." [Katy] "Prerogative of Divorce."

[Peggy] "The Exception to Marriage: Celibacy."

"The husband created the marriage bond, so only he could break it.

Even without the right of divorce, the woman could make her husband so miserable... [Peggy laughs] ...that he would greatly oblige her with a divorce.

This notwithstanding, divorce remained a man's privilege."

[Katy] Wow.

I'm unmarried, and Kelly's divorced and remarried.

So, Kelly's divorce must have hit Dad pretty-- Well, I guess it hit everybody hard.

[Katy] Goodness gracious.

[Peggy] No.

[Peggy] Not me.

I was glad.

Needed to happen.

[whistle blows in distance] [Intercom] John, come to the front office.

John Nelson, please come to the front office.

[Katy] You know?

It really helped me to film with Dad today.

[Kelly] It helped you to?

[Katy] Yep.

It's like, because he's so tender with the kids.

He's like, kinda tough love, but he's really sweet with them.

And it's helpful for me to see... [Kelly] That side?

[Katy] Yeah.

[Kelly] I don't get to see that side.

I don't get to see that side.

[Katy] Mom doesn't either.

Here.

[Kelly] He's still, he still makes a valiant effort to have that side with Andrew, but they clash heads a lot, too.

He's just a normal teenager.

We were normal teenagers.

We weren't fiery.

We were teenagers.

[Katy] Here, pull this down.

[Kelly] We were learning how to stand up for wrongs.

We were learning how to argue points.

We were learning-- I read this book, and it was just like, it broke my heart.

Because I was like, Damn.

I wish my parents had read this.

I think, like, the unconditional love thing is a big piece of it.

[Katy] Yeah.

You can't be so hurt by me that you can't build a bridge and come tell me you love me.

He hasn't told me he loved me since I was a very young child.

[Katy] What?!

[Kelly] He... I'm not exaggerating.

[Katy] Just a simple "I love you"?

[Kelly] I don't get that ever.

Ever.

[Kelly] You spend a whole lifetime trying to fix yourself because you are somehow innately unworthy.

I just wanted to be held, I wanted to be accepted.

[Marvin] Some people take it in stride.

Some people aren't doing as well as others.

[Kelly] At the end of the day, I wanted to be loved.

[laughing] This boyfriend, in my mind, was willing to show me unconditional love and kindness.

[indistinct chatter] I felt so much shame.

[Pastor] When we do baby dedications here, it's as much dedicating the mom and dad as it is the child.

[Kelly] I did everything I was supposed to do.

I got married.

I had a Bible study, go to church three days a week.

[Pastor] And so, Lord, we pray for Andrew that, Lord, he would grow up to be a godly man... [Kelly] My battle with remaining a Christian was... "I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin."

And making people feel like their entire existence is a sin.

That was just it for me.

I was done.

[guitar strums] [laughter] [Marvin] Yeah.

See, whenever you're strumming, sometimes when you strum... [Andrew laughs] [Katy] Kelly got divorced.

[music plays] And later remarried.

And life went on.

[motorized car hums] [Andrew] Oh, hello.

[Lily cries] [Kelly] Let's get 'em!

Go ahh.

[Lily] Ahh [Kelly] Good job!

No hiding from Mommy.

Momma gonna get 'em... [Marvin] Uh-huh.

Who knows, if Andrew gets some kind of a Virginia, UVA, or Carolina interview-- did he apply to Duke?

I don't know.

I don't remember if he did or not.

[Nana] They're havin' classes to teach their students how to riot.

[Marvin] I see.

[Kelly] I doubt that's true.

[Katy] To write?

[Marvin] Riot.

[Marvin] Can't you speak Southern?

How to riot.

Well, I'm not surprised.

Well, that's the state of our universities these days.

I've heard some interesting stuff about... [Kelly] That's false.

That's absolutely false.

[Marvin] Well, there's a discussion about it.

Anyway, I got some radical leftists in here over-- listening to my conversation.

I love you, Ma.

[Nana] Love you.

[Marvin] We're just talking, Kelly.

You just told her I'm an extreme leftist.

You don't even know my political views.

I've never discussed them with you.

[Marvin] I was joking with her, Kelly.

I know, she didn't seem to think that was funny.

[Marvin] When I'm talking to my mother, don't take it seriously.

So I joke and play.

Scoggins do that.

You'd have had a real stressed time if you'd been around me growin' up.

[Student] Bye.

[Marvin] Bye, Juan.

See you, buddy.

Good holiday.

Bye, Ivy.

See you, sweetheart.

See you, Jimmy.

Merry Christmas, buddy.

Bye, Ricardo.

I'll see you in January!

[Ricardo] I'll miss you.

[Marvin] Ha ha!

[Student] Merry Christmas!

[Marvin] Merry Christmas!

Bye-bye.

[Pastor] Have you ever wished you could start all over again?

Maybe in your marriage?

Maybe in your relationship with your children?

Well, in a way you can.

That's what we find before us here in Exodus: Chapter 12.

Moses, the world changer, was about to change the world.

[upbeat music plays] [Katy] So this is what, a six-hour drive?

[Marvin] Yeah.

[Katy] Alright.

Merry Christmas.

Andrew and Dad and I take a little side trip.

[Marvin] Right here.

[Marvin] Are you looking for a group?

[Jon] Marvin?

[Marvin] Yes.

[Marvin] Good to see you.

[Jon] Good to see you!

[Jon] Jon Albert.

[Marvin] Jon!

[Marvin] Pleasure.

My daughter Katy.

[Katy] Hi!

[Jon] Hi, Katy!

[Marvin] Grandson Andrew.

[Jon] Hi, Andrew!

[Jon] Around 97 percent of our entire fossil record is ocean floor-dwelling marine life.

Now, if what we read in the Bible is true, it makes sense because in Genesis Chapter 7, Verse 11, the onset of the Flood was marked by plate movements.

It said, "All the fountains of the great deep burst forth."

So most of the water that God accessed to flood the world did not come from the sky, but from within the wor-- from within the earth.

And that was predominantly on our ocean floor.

So we have an immense amount of water erupting out of the interior of the earth, right, at the bottom of our oceans, tearing the life off of the bottom of the ocean, burying it in mud up on the continents, where it's gonna be fossilized.

We're talking about a yearlong event.

If we read carefully in the biblical account, we see the 40 days and 40 nights is what it took for the Ark to float.

But it rained for 150 days, and then post-Flood, it was still chaotic.

You still had volcanic activity and earthquakes and storms... And, I mean, it was, it was, it's chaos.

[Andrew] I had a question.

[Jon] Yes.

[Andrew] Not necessarily pertaining to what you just said, but if there was a Flood and it covered, like, everything and it absorbed all the lakes and stuff, everything just became this mass of water, wouldn't all the lake water be salinated?

[Jon] Good question.

Um, no.

And, um, we, in fact, even today, it doesn't happen.

Freshwater and saltwater do not mix.

[Andrew] If the earth is six thousand years old, then I don't think that is enough time, considering the size of some lakes, for that to be just groundwater.

[Marvin] Well, that would be a question to investigate, though.

Rather than saying, "I don't think it is enough time," find out what is the turnover rate?

How often is a lake's water turned over in a course of a certain period of time?

So if you have streams feeding it-- springs, whatever the source is.

Runoff from rain, runoff from rainwater, that's gonna be freshwater.

[Andrew] There are lakes in the middle of the country, though.

[Andrew] Does saltwater get desalinated by going through the ground?

I thought it can only be desalinated through distillation and through reverse osmosis.

[Marvin] I don't know the answer to that.

[Jon] I do not know for sure.

I would only be able to make an assumption.

Um, and I'm, I think I'm agreeing with you.

I don't think it can.

[Andrew] Yeah.

[Jon] But I'm not-- I don't know for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, really cool question.

Yeah.

Now you've got my brain spinning a little bit.

[Marvin] Sure, well... [Jon] Which I like.

I wasn't asking you any of these questions to try to, like, stump you.

I honestly, like, deal with this stuff and... I'm very open, but I'm... I have a very cautious, um... way of going about it.

So.

Yeah.

Just a little background.

My father is very... he's a--he's very atheist.

[Andrew laughs] And then...conservative, religious.

So it kind of like, from a very early age, kind of... [Jon] Collision of worlds.

[Andrew] Yeah.

And so, from a very early age, I've dealt with this.

[Jon] Don't beat yourself up over it.

[Andrew] Thank you.

[Jon] I wholeheartedly appreciate the cognitive dissonance that you're going through.

And um, part of what I'd-- part of what I'd like you to consider is: A mouse in a maze can't make sense of the maze.

We're mice in a maze, trying to make sense of the maze.

So the only way I can know anything about the world I live in is if somebody outside of the maze speaks into my world.

And I believe God did that.

I've fought and wrestled these things enough to come to where I believe He's telling me the truth.

I would never be able to just do it on my own.

Neither will you be able to do it.

[somber music plays] [Jon chats with Marvin] I think it was 1973, but I'm not positive.

'73 is when I got involved with Campus Crusade.

That was providential.

And some time, whether it was that year or the following, was when... Henry Morris came.

Of course, I'd had all the teaching in evolution.

I went to the debate, frankly, expected to be embarrassed.

And Henry Morris came up and just took apart what had just been shared.

[Henry Morris] The idea of uniformitarianism and evolutionism, that all things continue as they were from the beginning of Creation, was never proved.

And the idea of the worldwide Flood and Creation was never disproved.

It was just that people preferred to believe that way.

And we believe that the actual evidence really supports the original geologists who did believe the Biblical record of the story of the Flood and interpreted their geological history that way.

I thought, Wow.

I've never heard anybody challenge what most of us are just led to believe is accepted truth that no one has any reason to question.

[Katy] Hmm.

I don't even know if I've ever told you this before, but I was in an Intro to Human Evolution class in college, where I had, like, an equal and opposite reaction.

I went in as a total skeptic because I didn't believe in evolution.

[Andrew] Yeah.

[Katy] But I don't know.

Something about that class made me think differently about it.

[Andrew] I'm excited for college.

[Katy] Yeah!

[Andrew] I've never been around people that are into the same stuff as me.

[Andrew] Babou!

[horn honks] [horn honks] [Marvin] Shee-manee.

Zoomed around me, and now they're trying to run me off the road.

[Andrew] Stop trying to get ahead of him!

[Marvin] Andrew, you are not gonna direct me for driving.

You just sit back there and ride.

[Andrew] You almost, like, killed us right there.

[Marvin] No, I did not.

The woman was turning into me, or man, or whatever it was.

Your camera okay, Katy?

[Katy] Yeah.

[Andrew] You're driving over 80.

Like, this is not okay.

[Marvin] Andrew, that was a person who turned into me.

[Andrew] It was not--it was not entirely their fault.

[Marvin] You just like to argue.

[Andrew] Do you really think that?

[Marvin] Yes.

I not only think that, that is the case.

When you're not here, I don't have the argument.

[Andrew] My mom is a driver and agrees that you're an aggressive, dangerous driver.

[Marvin] Okay, but that's your mom.

Your mom is--goes to... [Andrew] So if there's something wrong with me, there's something wrong with my mom, there's something wrong with Grandma.

There's something wrong with everybody but you.

[Marvin] Your mom and you are the two that talk in the extremes that you talk in: "You almost killed us."

It's not, "We almost had a wreck."

[Andrew] Because it's like you're not-- it's not getting through to you that we're in fear.

That we're having fear.

[Marvin] It's not that we almost had a wreck.

[bugs hum] [video plays, indistinct] [Video] Neatness isn't important.

Just make sure it's wrapped tightly.

And don't forget to go to movers.com.

Just fill out our quick... [Peggy] Ah, Lordy.

[Katy] The move is upon us.

And Mom is no longer tiptoeing around Dad's office.

She blows through all the things he can't seem to pack.

[Peggy] Look at this.

One, two, three, four, five... detergent scoopers.

One hundred and fifty-five little scoopers!

[Katy] Meanwhile, Dad is starting new projects.

He seems to be on some other wavelength that is not in line with the family move.

♪ [Marvin] I had a manual sitting right here.

Do you know where that is?

[Peggy] No.

[Marvin] I think you took it off, didn't you?

Is that it right there on my pillow?

Yeah, I didn't put that over there, I had it on this shelf because that's got the manual.

Excuse me.

Let me.

Let me get over there.

[Peggy] I did not put it on the shelf... [Marvin] I need that manual, though.

There you go.

[Katy] Is it a manual to the bookshelf?

[Marvin] Yep.

[Peggy] Okay.

Can, um...?

[Marvin] I'll try that.

[Peggy] Well I thought you were gonna load them, and I was gonna tape them.

[Marvin] I was, but I lost you, and I-- I can't load them up by mys-- because they flop open.

So I'm just gonna go ahead and tape 'em.

If you'll hold 'em in place, I'll tape 'em.

[Peggy] Well, I can tape some and you can tape some.

[Marvin] I think it'd be easier if you'd just hold the box.

See, you just do this...this.

[Peggy] Yeah, I get it.

I get it.

[Marvin] Okay.

Should hold that together.

[Peggy] I've been tapin' boxes.

[Marvin] I gotcha.

[tape ripping] [Marvin] You get the next one ready.

I'll do it.

[Peggy] Okay, you want to keep this?

[Marvin] There's four boxes here.

[Peggy] This too?

[Marvin] No, that's garbage.

[Peggy] Oh--oh, really?

[Marvin] Not the, not the binders.

The box you were kicking.

That--no--what--?

[Peggy] This?

[Marvin] Why are you--?

Just leave it there!

What are you going to do with it?

[Peggy] Put it in the trash pile.

We got a trash pile goin'... [Marvin] Trash.

Boom.

Right there.

Trash.

[watch alarm] I have to leave.

[Katy] Where are you going?

[Marvin] I've got a band practice.

I'm performing in two days.

I haven't practiced a lick for four weeks.

How come this always turns into an argument?

That's frustrating.

I'm gonna go to band practice.

[Peggy] It's not an argument, it's just a discussion.

[Marvin] I'm gonna go to band practice.

I'm gonna suggest a bigger use of the words okay and yes.

♪ [Peggy] This is a piece of [bleep].

Why?

Why would we keep these?

A rock.

This is probably gonna burst.

[soda spray hisses] It did.

It did.

It did!

It burst and is wet all over here.

And you know what I'm gonna do?

I'm gonna leave it.

[can clanks on ground] [can crunches] People can drive you mad.

And you can feel like you drive them mad.

But it's a question, is-- Are you ever going to receive the love and respect and the cherish-- and feel cherished?

By another person, no matter how much you fight and spit and... have times that are stressful.

Like this.

At the end of the day, can you come back and regroup and love each other?

[Katy] You feel that way with Dad?

No.

No.

I don't!

I can't.

I don't think he's capable.

[wind blows] [acoustic guitar music] [Katy, voiceover] I take a little break.

[Katy] Hi!

[Barb] How's it going?

[Katy] Hi again.

[Barb] Hello.

[Katy] Long time, no see through a lens.

I didn't think I was gonna survive my family.

[Chuck] Mm.

[Katy] But I eked by.

[Chuck] Mm!

[Katy] Lived to die another day.

[chicken clucks] [Cat] Meow.

[Chuck] Meow.

[Chuck laughs] [radio music hums] [scrapes and brushstrokes] [brushstrokes] [Katy] You guys work in here at the same time?

[Barb] No.

[Chuck] Not too often.

[Chuck] Once in a while.

[Barb] We stay out of each other's way, we stay out of each other's glue.

[Katy] Is that how you make a relationship work?

Stay out of each other's way?

[Barb] Yes.

[Chuck] Ehhh... Sometimes.

[crickets chirp, swallows sing] [Katy] You know, when I first started writing about fossil hunting, I thought it was just, you go out, and you dig a hole and you hope you find something.

[Tom] That's what everybody thinks.

How do you know where to dig?

That's the question everybody says.

And I say, you don't dig, you just walk.

Wander around aimlessly.

[distant thunder rumbles] [Katy] So you don't think I'm crazy for going back home for a bit?

[Tom] Well--no.

Um... It's important to keep that relationship with your parents going, I think.

In the last year or the year before, I encouraged you to really keep your relationship with your father going as much as you could.

[Katy] I have, yeah.

[Tom] And I think down the road, you'll appreciate that you did it.

Because they're your parents.

And there's, like, that tie that bonds.

That bond that's there, and you just can't... You can't replace that.

When he goes to his grave, hopefully before you go to your grave, you don't want to let him go and then have regrets of things that were left unsaid between you.

It's important.

[Katy, voiceover] I go back home to find everything the same.

But the move is days away now.

[Marvin] What is she doing?

[Katy] A little sage smudge.

[Marvin] You're getting ashes on our carpet.

[Katy] I just, I need a-- [Marvin] And books.

[Katy] I'm cleansing.

[Marvin] Oh.

Whoa.

[Katy] I won't catch anything on fire.

[Marvin] Okay.

[Katy] I suggest something that Dad and I both might enjoy.

And I give him an excuse to avoid his packing a little longer.

[Marvin] Yeah, it used to be much more lit up than that.

But they--very subtle now.

It was a very idyllic place.

[Katy] Were you sad when they moved to Florida?

[Marvin] Very sad.

Lot of, a lot of friends.

A lot of good memories there.

Wonderful people.

[Katy] You think Virginia will be good for you guys?

[Marvin] I don't know.

I just think life's an adventure.

I realize there will be no Garden of Eden on this planet.

There will be none.

[GPS] In 800 feet, turn right onto Tennessee Street.

[Katy] Nice.

Oops.

That is definitely--keep goin'.

But you definitely turned on a red arrow.

[Andrew] Oh, really?

[Katy] Yep.

[Andrew] Ooh.

[Katy laughs] [Andrew] Whoops.

[scattered applause, cheers] [Principal] Alright, our third valedictorian is Andrew Montana!

[crowd cheers] [Andrew] Alright.

So, my mom had me when she was pretty young.

And she worked three jobs and went to college in order to provide for us.

After years and years of very hard work, she eventually got us an apartment to live in.

And in that apartment, I had a small, modest room.

But it was my room.

And now I have a room about the same size at UC Berkeley.

And that's just amazing.

And I'm so grateful.

[crowd cheers and applauds] [music plays] [Andrew] Finally!

[graduates chatter excitedly] [Classmate] I forgot to turn this in!

[laughter] [indistinct chatter] [Classmate] You need to burn those.

[Marvin] There!

[community band plays] [Conductor] We have Marvin Scoggin over here on my right, your left, who's our concertmaster.

[Bandmates] Whoo!

Marvin is moving to some place in the East.

[Male Voice] Virginia!

[Conductor] Virginia.

[pops and sizzles] ♪ ♪ [crickets chirp] [fireworks pop] [Peggy] But he has so many books out there and stuff in the garage, and he hasn't done his clothes, and it's just... [sighs] [Marvin] That's fine with me.

[Peggy] The dog peed.

So watch out.

[Marvin] Oh, boy.

[Peggy] Or somethin'.

[Marvin] Well... [Peggy] Boy, that was a lot of pee.

[Marvin] Let me see if I can find it.

This... That's Dad's letter.

I think, let's see, this was your picture.

"To Daddy, from Katy."

[Katy] What?

[Marvin] So tell me I didn't have a start on your art career.

Huh?

[Katy chuckles] Found a lot of stuff in here that was interesting.

Bunch of letters from your mother.

[Peggy] "Hope this letter finds you almost finished with your thesis.

I sure love you, Marvin.

All three of us will be tan and healthy when you get to Georgia."

[Katy] What did you say?

What did you say to Dad?

[Peggy] I said, all three of us will be tan... [Katy] No, what did you say--?

[Peggy] "Love, Peggy."

"I sure love you, Marvin."

[Peggy] You get these conflicts.

And you think it's never gonna repair.

But then it does.

But then it breaks again, and it breaks again, and-- and then you go repair.

For your own soul.

Your own being.

[sprinklers and bugs hum] [Katy] Mom, your brights are on.

I'm turning them off.

[Kelly, on speaker phone] How far out is Dad?

[Peggy] Oh, he'll be there tonight by the time we spend the night in the motel.

[Katy] We're gonna meet you in Gallup, so Dad and I are staying behind.

[Kelly] Okay.

[Peggy] So, Gallup.

Wow.

Boy, do I remember Gallup.

Okay.

It's a god-forsaken hellhole.

But it's great.

We'll stay-- we'll be there tonight.

[laughter] [Katy] You look happy!

[Peggy] I am happy.

[Katy] Bye, Mom.

[music plays] [music plays] Nah, let's put in a green one because I want to keep those two yellow ones nested.

Put this in there.

[Marvin] Oh, this lamp is real important.

[Katy] Okay.

[Marvin] That lamp right there?

Gotta have that.

[Marvin] Are we locking it for the last time?

I'd hate to leave my push broom.

But I'm gonna be living in an apartment.

What am I gonna do with a push broom?

[Katy] You're not.

I can tell you.

[Marvin] Oh!

I have a storage space.

[Katy] I've lived in apartments for most of my life now.

[Marvin] I'm gonna have a storage space.

I'll need a--I'll need a big broom to clean out my storage space.

[Katy] You don't need it.

You're gonna regret it.

[Marvin] Watch this.

[Katy] It's gonna be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

[Marvin] It's the last thing that goes in, and you won't even notice it.

You're gonna be like, "What broom?"

♪ [Marvin] We're leaving California.

Wow.

[Katy] Yeah, I can't quite believe it.

[Marvin] But I did say, I stated that I was moving it to keep it in the shade.

[Katy] You and Mom are both talking at me at the same time.

Anyway.

Lemme--hang on one second, Dad.

[Marvin] Well, c'mon, Katy.

[Katy] Sorry?

[Marvin] You've gotta be able to multitask.

C'mon!

You got two ears, c'mon.

[Katy] I'm trying.

I'll put her on the right ear, and you can talk to my left ear.

[Marvin] There you go.

And your eyes will go cross.

♪ ♪ [thunder booms] [Katy] Oh, my god!

♪ [young Kelly] Dad, do you have any gum?

My ears are popping.

[Marvin] Yeah, I've got some.

[Papa] Well, I can do that, too, if you can, fella!

Vroom!

[Nana] Marvin.

[Papa] Oh, Mama, hush.

She acts like an old woman.

[Nana] I am an old woman.

[young Kelly] Ha ha ha!

♪ [GPS] Welcome to Virginia.

[Katy] Ha!

[Marvin] There's Virginia right now!

Oh, my heavens.

[Katy laughs] [Katy] You know, it was almost a year ago that we went on our little road trip, and I threw the microphone at you?

Remember that?

[Marvin] Uh, no, I don't.

Were you angry?

[Katy] No, I was just scared.

[Marvin] Scared?

Of what?

[Katy] I don't know!

It was intimidating to be filming.

I was kind of terrified.

[Marvin] I don't get it.

What do you mean--I don't was I doing something?

[Katy] I was just afraid to film with you.

It just felt awkward and uncomfortable.

[Marvin] I don't know if you developed a fear of me or something.

I don't know what it is.

But, uh... Some people say I'm a pretty nice guy.

My colleagues love me.

My students adore me.

And, uh, my peers respect me.

But boy, I come home, and I'm a piece of dirt.

It's been that way for many years.

Don't understand it... don't know that I ever will.

In my lifetime, Katy, I've had a lot of misunderstandings and misconceptions about things, including with my own parents, and particularly with my dad.

And, uh--I was just wrong.

[Marvin] In what I thought.

[Katy] Like what?

[Marvin] Oh... I didn't think my dad-- I didn't think my dad loved me for probably the first good portion of my life.

I wanted to be able to just have... I just wanted to be able to have a conversation.

It was just... trying to find the right thing to say that might stimulate something more than a single-word answer.

Seemed to me he could have easy conversation with other people, but it didn't seem like he could do that with me, and I didn't-- I just thought there was somethin' wrong with me.

That was part of the reason that I didn't know if he loved me or not.

But there was a time, I remember... when he came into our bedroom after we had gone to bed.

And I'm sure he assumed we were all asleep.

And he put his hand on my leg... in a very, kind of affectionate way.

You know, around down on my calf or my ankle.

And I just--the way, you know, a parent might do for the child.

And I remember being reassured and surprised by that.

I thought, Wow.

Maybe he does love me.

He never-- And he was certainly verbal about it when we were adults, but that's because I made a point to tell him, regularly, "Dad, I love you."

And eventually, he responded in kind and would say the same thing.

[Katy] Really?

[Marvin] Oh, yeah.

Yep.

I had no-- I didn't know how to-- Oh, I just missed my turn.

[Katy laughs] We've gotta stop this talking, Katy!

I just missed my turn!

I'm gonna wet my pants!

Good grief.

[music plays] [music plays] ♪ [cheers] ♪ ♪ [music crescendos] ♪ [Radio Host] As a scientist, what interests you most about today?

[Scientist] This eclipse event allows us to see a part of the solar outer atmosphere, even the inner atmosphere, that we don't normally get to see.

[Caller] I would like to know if the global warming deniers will accept the science that has predicted, accurately, this occurrence.

But just as they are denying what is occurring with regards to global warming.

After all, it was James Hansen... [Marvin] I know that peop-- scientists are convinced that human behavior is responsible for global warming.

[Katy] Of course.

[Marvin] And human-- Well, don't say, "Of course."

Why would you say, "Of course?"

It's still something that's controversial.

[Katy] I don't even know what to say to you right now.

[Marvin] I would say that, you know what?

If you want to reassure people, so that they're not going, "Wait a second, is there some kind of a broader conspiracy goin' on here?"

Where they're trying to mislead the public in order to get their way?

Get back to the facts.

That's how you do it.

I've read and observed and heard out of people's mouths-- [Katy] What have you read, observed, and heard out of people's mouths-- [Marvin] I don't even want to go there.

[Katy]...that purports that climate change is controversial?

[Marvin] I'm not even gonna go there.

There's no point.

[Katy] It's just, it's like--you taught science for 25 years, Dad!

[Marvin] I didn't teach global warming, Katy.

Katy, I taught fourth-grade, fifth-grade science.

It's not an issue of whether there's climate change.

The only thing that's an issue is the cause.

And evidence is to be interpreted, Katy.

[Katy] No.

[Marvin] Climate change, it was a political term, is what it is.

[Katy] What would you call it, then?

[Marvin] I just have a--we can't even have a discussion.

[Katy] I ran out of tape.

I don't know how to talk about this stuff with you, Dad.

I just actually don't.

[Marvin] Well, by listening and considering it-- [Katy] Dad, I've been listening to you for years.

[Marvin] But you cut me off.

[Katy] No!

I often don't speak at all.

I want to be respectful.

I just think that you've gone down such a tunnel, Dad, that I don't know how to talk with you about this stuff.

[Marvin] Well, it's because you're-- you have a religious zeal for your beliefs.

[Katy] I am not religious.

[Marvin] But you are.

You have a myth, Katy.

You bought into a myth.

[Katy] And I've heard--this is an argument that's often used by young-earth creationist men to say that-- [Marvin] You believe in a myth.

[Katy] Don't tell me that it is my religious "fervor" that is speaking.

It's me.

[Marvin] It's the same kind of talk.

[Katy] It's me, your daughter!

[Marvin] "You're a sinner bound for Hell, Marvin, because you follow the devil."

[Katy] I don't-- Hell, sinner... also does not truck with me.

[Marvin] You're missing my point!

I'm saying it's the same kind of talk.

It's this sorta, you call me "with the wool over my eyes."

I'm saying it's that kind of a zeal.

You haven't listened to me to the end of a sentence yet.

[ice crackles] [phone rings] [ring] [Marvin] Hello?

[Katy] Hi, it's me.

[Marvin] Hey, me.

[Katy chuckles] [Marvin] Alright, so you sent me an email?

Should I look--?

[Katy] No, I haven't sent it.

I'm writing it.

I don't like that guy's book.

[Marvin] Oh!

Did you, had you already seen it before?

[Katy] No!

I've never seen it.

[Marvin] Oh, okay.

[Katy] He's so condescending about scientists!

[Marvin] Yeah, I didn't... Well, I haven't read it that thoroughly.

[Katy] I skimmed it.

[Marvin] He brought up the issue of dragons.

And I thought, Where--?

[Katy sighs] [Marvin] What are people--?

[Katy] Dad?

No.

You can't.

[Marvin] Ah, ha ha!

Well-- [Katy] Fine.

If you wanna believe that the Flood of Noah created the fossil record, fine.

But dragons?

No.

[Marvin] But think about it.

Think about it.

And I'm not-- [Katy] I have thought a lot about it, and I completely... That is beyond absurdity.

I am not-- living dinosaurs?

No.

[Marvin] Well, I've heard even sane, smart people say things that made me gasp for air.

It's just, they make you gasp for air.

Some of the things that they say.

So, maybe that's one for you.

[Katy] Well-- But in the meantime, how do we...?

How do you and I...?

[Marvin] Get along?

How do we relate?

[Katy] Yeah.

[Marvin] Like this!

I relate like I do to anyone, Katy, regardless of their position toward the faith.

I love you.

I do!

[Katy] I love you, too, Dad.

[Marvin] What would you think of a sea creature that was able to generate so much electricity, it could actually kill a human being?

That's kind of far-fetched sounding.

Or what about a bombardier beetle that's able to shoot, out of its rear end, fluid that's 212-plus degrees Fahrenheit?

[Katy] It's still not a fire-breathing dragon.

It's still... damsels in distress.

No.

Those are legends.

[Marvin] Dragons is just over the line, huh?

[Katy] That is, like, seriously crossing the line.

[Marvin] Heh heh heh heh!

Oh!

By the way, I bought you a... a DVD set.

[Katy] Of what?

[Marvin] It's called "The Intelligent Design..." ...something.

It's a three-DVD set.

I think they're really well--I'd be... I'm just interested in what you'd think of em'... ♪ [Andrew] ♪ I've seen you before in a dream I had a long, long time ago I thought it was Aberdeen But it must've been cold, lonely Cullowhee And I can't seem to breathe in a place Where the dark is abundantly close Sing to me, next to me, I miss our sweet, sweet home Serpentine spring, I felt the wind... [video playing, indistinct] [Andrew, singing] It's part of me, the cut along your chin... [Pastor] There's only one letter difference in the Greek between those two translations.

And there's a debate, within scholarship, of which is actually true.

[Andrew] Do they call to you?

♪♪ ♪ [Marvin] Oh, I've been lookin' for that!

Got punctured, and all the Coke leaked out.

No telling where it went.

I have this because I like rocks.

[Katy] What is it about that rock that you like?

[Marvin] I have no idea.

[Elly] Velociraptors.

[AI Voice] According to Wikipedia, Velociraptor is a genus of dromaeosaurid theropod dinosaur, part of the Cretaceous period.

[Katy] What do you like about dinosaurs?

[Elly] They're cool.

[Katy] What do you want to be when you grow up?

[Elly] Paleontologist.

[Katy] Maybe I can come visit you on some of your digs.

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