>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," I'M JOINED BY THE INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS BEHIND THE DISTURBING NEW "WASHINGTON POST" SERIES "BROKEN DOORS," ON THE DANGERS OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, THE OFTEN LOW BAR TO GET THEM, AND THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN RAIDS GO WRONG.

PLUS, THE NEPHEW OF THE DORCHESTER MAN WHOSE ARM WAS CAUGHT IN A RED LINE TRAIN DOOR AND WAS THEN DRAGGED TO HIS DEATH, ON THE MANY QUESTIONS REMAINING FOR THE FAMILY.

THEN LATER, THE PUSH TO GET MORE GIRLS INTO STEM FIELDS, AND THE BROCKTON MIDDLE SCHOOLERS TAKING UP THE CHALLENGE.

THEY JUST WON A NATIONAL CONTEST WITH THEIR PLAN FOR MARS, AND A LITTLE HELP FROM A REAL-LIFE NASA SPACE FLIGHT DIRECTOR.

>> Braude: WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT "NO-KNOCK" WARRANTS OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, AFTER POLICE SHOT AND KILLED BREONNA TAYLOR IN MARCH OF 2020.

LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY OFFICERS BROKE DOWN HER DOOR JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT AS PART OF A NARCOTICS INVESTIGATION CENTERED ON A MAN TAYLOR PREVIOUSLY DATED, AND WHEN HER CURRENT BOYFRIEND FIRED A SINGLE SHOT, IN WHAT HE CLAIMS WAS SELF DEFENSE, POLICE FIRED 32 SHOTS, HITTING TAYLOR SIX TIMES AND KILLING HER INSTANTLY.

AND WHILE A DETECTIVE WAS LATER INDICTED FOR WANTON ENDANGERMENT OF, GET THIS, THE NEIGHBORS, NO ONE WAS EVER CHARGED FOR TAYLOR'S KILLING.

BUT NO-KNOCK WARRANTS ARE FAR FROM NEW.

TAYLOR WAS KILLED A DECADE AFTER A NO-KNOCK RAID IN DETROIT WHEN A SWAT TEAM THREW A FLASH-BANG INTO THE WRONG APARTMENT, BURST IN AND FIRED, INSTANTLY KILLING SEVEN-YEAR-OLD AIYANA JONES, WHO WAS SLEEPING ON THE COUCH NEXT TOO HER GRANDMOTHER.

AND IT WAS JUST THREE MONTHS AGO THAT POLICE SHOT AND KILLED 22-YEAR-OLD AMIR LOCKE JUST NINE SECONDS INTO AN EARLY-MORNING RAID IN MINNEAPOLIS.

HE, TOO, HAD BEEN SLEEPING ON THE COUCH, AND WAS NEITHER NAMED IN THE WARRANT NOR A TARGET OF THE INVESTIGATION.

BUT ACCORDING TO THE "WASHINGTON POST," 29 STATES, INCLUDING MASSACHUSETTS, AND 21 CITIES NOW HAVE SOME FORM OF RESTRICTION ON NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.

BUT ACCORDING TO A "WASHINGTON POST" INVESTIGATION, 22 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED BY POLICE IN SUCH RAIDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY SINCE 2015.

AND MANY MORE HAVE HAD THEIR LIVES TURNED UPSIDE DOWN, AS THE POST'S SIX-PART PODCAST RECOUNTS: >> THIS DOOR RIGHT THERE IS WHERE THE BATTERING RAM HIT.

THIS DOOR FLEW OPEN.

ALL OF THIS WAS KNOCKED OFF.

AND THE BANG IS WHAT WOKE ME UP.

AND THEN I KEPT SITTING HERE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FOCUS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS.

AND THEY CAME AND PUT ME ON THE FLOOR RIGHT THERE, PUT THE GUN IN MY HEAD AND STUFF AND TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD A SEARCH WARRANT TO SEARCH MY PROPERTY.

I WAS ALREADY IN CUFFS WHEN THEY TOLD ME ABOUT THE WARRANT.

>> Braude: THE PODCAST IS CALLED "BROKEN DOORS," AND IT DIGS INTO SOME OF THE MANY TROUBLED ASPECTS OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, INCLUDING HOW EASY IT IS TO GET ONE, THE FREQUENT LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY SURROUNDING THEM, AND THE LASTING PAIN OF THOSE THEY AFFECT, LIKE BREONNA TAYLOR'S MOTHER.

>> I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT-- THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL DOING THIS THING, YOU KNOW, LIKE-- AND, AND HERE WE ARE COMING UP ON MARCH THE 13th, AGAIN, AND NO ONE'S BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO BREONNA.

AND TO HAVE TO STOMACH THIS DAY ALL OVER AGAIN IS INSANE TO ME.

>> Braude: I'M JOINED NOW BY THE TWO REPORTERS BEHIND THE SERIES, JENN ABELSON AND NICOLE DUNGCA, BOTH FROM THE INVESTIGATIVE UNIT OF THE "WASHINGTON POST," KNOWN TO US HERE AS THE "BOSTON GLOBE" SOUTH.

THEY BOTH ARE FORMERLY OF THE "BOSTON GLOBE" SPOTLIGHT TEAM.

ASK GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH AND CONGRATULATIONS ON TERRIFIC WORK.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> NICOLE IF I CAN START WITH YOU, I KNOW WERE YOU WORKING ON POLICE ISSUES, WAS IT THE KILLING OF BREONNA TAYLOR THAT REDIRECTED YOU TO THESE WARRANTS?

>> YEAH, I THINK JENN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON POLICE ACCOUNT AIBLGHTD SINCE 2020 AND WHEN WE LOOKED CLOSER AT THE KILLING OF BREONNA TAYLOR, THAT'S WHEN I THINK BOFT US REALLY WOKE UP TO WHAT THE IDEA OF A NO-KNOCK WARRANT IS.

AND SO WE WANTED TO SEE ACROSS THE COUNTRY USING A DATABASE THAT "THE WASHINGTON POST" ACTUALLY KEEPS UP OF FATTAL SHOOTS BY THE POLICE, HOW MANY OF THOSE SHOOTINGS ACTUALLY CAME FROM NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.

AND SO THAT IS WHEN WE STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD OF TRYING TO FIND THOSE 22 PEOPLE SINCE 2015 WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED WHILE POLICE HAVE BEEN EXECUTING NO KNOCK SEARCH WARRANTS.

>> Braude: WE SHOULD SAY, I WAS STUNNED, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, STATES DON'T KEEP TRACK OF THIS, THE FEDS DON'T KEEP TRACK OF THIS SO YOU HAD TO MAKE TRACK OF IT.

YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SEARCH WARRANTS, JENN.

A TYPICAL SEARCH WARRANT IS AUTHORIZED BY I A COULTER, A POLICE OFFICER, OFFICERS GO TO A DOOR, KNOCK ON THE DOOR, SAY HI, POLICE ARE HERE.

A NO-KNOCK WARRANT IS LEGALLY-- LEGAL AUTHORIZATION, ESSENTIALLY FOR VIOLENT ENTRY WITH NO NOTICE TO THE OCCUPANTS.

WHAT IS THE THRESHHOLD THAT POLICE ARE SUPPOSED TO MEET BEFORE A JUDGE APPROVES SUCH A WARRANT?

>> SO YOU HAVE GOT IT EXACTLY RIGHT.

I MEAN NO-KNOCKS ARE ONE OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE FORMS OF POLICING WHERE THEY ESSENTIALLY BREAK DOWN YOUR DOOR WITHOUT WARNING.

AND BEFORE THEY DO SO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TO A JUDGES AND PROVIDE SPECIFIC REASONS WHY THEY NEED TO USE THIS KIND OF FORCE.

IS THERE SOME SORT OF DANGER TO OFFICERS' SAFETY.

ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF DRUGS AND OTHER EVIDENCE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING STVMENT NOT NECESSARILY A VERY HIGH BAR BUT THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOME SPECIFICS TO THE CASE AND A JUDGE IS EXPECTED TO REVIEW EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE.

BUT WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.

>> Braude: WELL, FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT, JENN, WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN, OFTEN SEEMS TO ME FROM LISTENING TO YOUR WORK, IS GRANTING THE APPROVAL IS PER FUNK TORE, SOMETIME WAS ANY QUESTIONS OF THE POLICE OFFICER INVOLVED, SOMETIMES WITHOUT EVEN ANY PERSONAL INTERACTION, IT IS NOW PERMITTED TO BE DONE ON LINE SO THERE IS NOT MUCH SCRUTINY IN MANY OF THESE APPROVALS BY THE COURT, CORRECT, JEN?

I THINK WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS EXACTLY THE CASE, THAT THERE WERE SO MANY INSTANCES WHERE THERE SEEMED TO BE NO PUSHBACK, NO QUESTIONING OF THE CLAIMS THAT POLICE WERE MAKING.

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SO MANY OF THESE ARE FOR DRUG SEARCHES AND OFTEN RELY ON CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANTS.

THESE ARE UNNAMED INDIVIDUALS WHO OFTEN HAVE A REASON TO BE COOPERATING WITH POLICE AND THERE SEEMS TO BE VERY LITTLE RESISTANCE, QUESTIONING OF WHAT POLICE OFFICERS WERE ASKING FOR, ASKING BASIC QUESTIONS LIKE ARE THERE CHILDREN IN THE HOME, DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ADDRESS, WHO ELSE MIGHT BE LIVING THERE.

>> THERE ARE SO MANY CASES, SO MANY INCREDIBLE CASES TO TALK ABOUT AND EXPERIENCE, PAINT OVER.

BUT NICOLE, COULD WE TALK ABOUT RICKY KEYTON IN MONROE COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI, IN 2015.

WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT SITUATION.

>> YEAH, I THINK YOU LISTEN TO THE FIRST THREE EPISODES THAT JEN HAS REALLY TAKEN THE LEAD ON THAT STORY THERE.

RICKY KEYTON WAS SHOT IN HIS OWN TRAILER.

BY SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES IN MONROE COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI.

AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THEY WERE THERE AND HOW IT WAS APPROVED.

AND I THINK JENN AND SUPERVISING SENIOR PRODUCE AARONA FLOOR EASY, THEY WENT DOWN TO MONROE COUNTY.

AND WHAT THEY FOUND WENT BEYOND NO-KNOCK WARRANTS IN A LOT OF WAYS, THERE WERE A LOT OF ALLEGATIONS OF CORRUPTION AND ALL SORTS OF ISSUES WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND SHE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT SHE FOUND THERE.

>> Braude: PLEASE DISORKS 49 SHOTS FROM WHAT I RECALL FROM YOUR REPORTING, JEN, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE ISSUES IN THE SITUATION WITH RICKY.

>> YEAH SO RICKY KEYTON WAS A MAN WHO WAS LIVING IN A MOBILE HOME IN A TRAIL WE ARE HIS GIRLFRIEND LONG TIME GIRLFRIEND WANDA SESSIONAL AND HE WAS SUSPECTED DRUG DEALER, THERE HAD BEEN NO ACTUAL CONTROLLED DRUG BUYS THERE HAD BEEN VERY LITTLE SURVEILLANCE ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAD SEEN BUT ONE NIGHT AT 1 A.M. AFTER A TRAFFIC STOP THEY DECIDED TO RAID HIS HOME, THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES THERE.

THEY SHOWED UP AT 1 A.M. AND TRIED TO BREAK DOWN HIS DOOR.

AND HE WAS INSIDE WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND.

AND SUPPOSEDLY HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

HE GRABBED NOT A FIRE ARM BUT HE JUST HAD A PELLET GUN WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A BEBE GUN AND CAME TO THE DOOR THINKING THEY WERE INTRUDERS.

AND THE DEPUTIES ENDED UP SHOOTING MORE THAN 49 BULLETS OR SO INTO HIS TRAILER KILLING HIM AND HIS GIRLFRIEND, INSIDE, SHE SURPRISE -- SURVIVED.

>> THERE IS INCREDIBLE SOUND, I WILL PLAY SOME OF IT.

THE FIRST IS I BELIEVE A SECRET RECORDING MADE JUST THE DAY AFTER THIS SHOOTING.

THE FEMALE VOICES YOU HEAR ARE HIS NIECE AND DAUGHTER.

AND THE OTHER VOICE IS THE SHERIFF IN MONROE COUNTY.

CECIL KANTRELL, HERE THEY ARE.

>> I MEAN, WE WANT TO KNOW WHY.

IT WAS DONE IN A DIRTEDDEE WAY >> IT HAD TO BE DONE IN A DIRTY WAY LIKE THAT.

>> IT WAS NOT DONE IN A DIRTY WAY.

>> IT HAD TO BE.

>> IT WAS DONE IN-- IT WAS DONE IN A-- IT WAS DONE IN A LAWFUL WAY.

WAS YOUR REACTION TO THAT, JENN, WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD IT.

>> IT WAS REALLY STARTLING TO HEAR, HAVE I COVERED A LOT OF STORIES AROUND POLICING AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND HAVE I NEVER HEARD SORT OF A FAMILY CONFRONTING THE MAN IN CHARGE IN THE AFTERMATH OF A DEADLY RAID.

THEY WERE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS I THINK THAT NICOLE AND I KEPT COMING ACROSS WHICH IS WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DO THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

WHY COULDN'T YOU KNOCK AND COME TO THE DOOR.

>> Braude: EVEN MORE INCREDIBLE THAN THAT, AT LEAST TO ME, AND I'M GUESSING TO YOU WAS YOUR INTERVIEW, JEN, WITH THE SHERIFF'S YOU CAN SET THIS UP IN A COUPLE OF SENTENCE AND WE'LL HEAR THE SOUND AND WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN YOU AND THE SHERIFF.

>> ABSOLUTELY, SO I WENT WITH OUR AUDIO PRODUCE TORE THE SHERIFF KANTREL'S HOUSE IN MISSISSIPPI AND WE SHOWED UP WITHOUT CALLING A HELD OF TIME HE WAS HAPPY TO SIT DOWN, ANSWERING ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS BUT WHEN I STARTED GIGGING IN ABOUT NO KNOCK RAIDS WHACK WHAT HAPPENING, HOW OFTEN, DID HE GIVE APPROVAL HE STARTED TO BECOME MORE TENSE AND AGITATED UNTIL WE HAD THIS MOMENT WHICH ARE YOU ABOUT TO PLAY.

>> HERE IF IS RIGHT HERE.

>> AND YOU HAVE NO, LIKE, IDEA OF HOW OFTEN THEY WERE USED OR, SORT OF, HOW FREQUENTLY?

>> I COULDN'T- I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT AND GIVE YOU AN HONEST ANSWER.

>> OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.

SO DID YOU, I GUESS I WAS CURIOUS, TOO, LIKE, DID YOU-- >> CAN I SEE THAT?

>> NO, THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

>> WE WERE SITTING ABOUT TWO FEET AWAY.

AND THEN THE SHERIFF REACHED HIS ARM OUT AND MADE AN ACTUAL GRAB FOR THE NOTES IN MY LAP.

>> SHE'LL-- SHE'LL ASK THEM SOON.

>> I PROMISE I'LL GET THROUGH THEM.

I WANT TO KNOW, DID- >> YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING?

YOU'RE INTERROGATING ME.

>> AWW, I DON'T THINK SO.

I'M TRYING TO HAVE AN INTERVIEW.

YOU WANT TO ASK ME SOME QUESTIONS?

YOU CAN, I MEAN- >> I WANT TO SEE THAT PAPER.

>> OH, THIS - THIS IS MY WORK.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU MY WORK.

>> Braude: THAT EVER HAPPEN TO YOU IN YOUR WHOLE CAREER BEFORE.

>> ABSOLUTELY, NOT, THAT WAS A FIRST.

>> Braude: I'LL TELL YOU.

YOU KNOW, NICOLE, I MENTIONED, WE ALL MENTIONED THESE 22 KILLINGS YOU DISCOVERED IN THESE 21 NO-KNOCK WARRANTS SINCE 20150. WHO WERE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KILLINGS IN THOSE CASES?

>> WE FOUND IN MOST, OR MANY OF THE CASES THAT CHARGES WERE NOT BROUGHT AGAINST THE OFFICERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THESE.

AND IN ONE OF THE OTHER CASES THAT WE'LL LOOK INTO IN EPISODE FIVE, BEING RELEASED NEXT WEEK, WE FOUND THAT A 2017 CASE THEY'RE STILL INVESTIGATING WHETHER CHARGES SHOULD BE BROUGHT, SO FOR A LOT OF THESE FAMILIES, A LOT OF THE FRIENDS OF THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE VOT DURING THESE RAIDS, THEY'RE STILL WAITING FOR SOME ACCOUNT ABILITY OR FOR SOME JUSTICE AND WE TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTUALLY IN THE ROOM AT THE TIME WHEN THIS-- THESE NO KNOCK RAIDS WERE HAPPENING AND THEY MIGHT HAVE WITNESSED THEIR LOVED ONE BEING SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE.

AND SO BEING ABLE TO HEAR THE KIND OF PAIN THAT THEY'RE STILL IN YEARS AFTERWARDS IS REALLY AFFECTING.

>> Braude: BY THE WAY TO THE SURPRISE OF NOBODY, I ASSUME, YOUR REPORTING SUGGESTS THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO WERE THE SUBJECT OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS WERE PEOPLE OF COLOR WHICH AS I SAY, WOULD SURPRISE NO ONE.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR HERE, THIS IS NOT A SOUTHERN STATE 1950S KIND OF MOVIE THING, NO-- NO-KNOCK WARRANT, MASSACHUSETTS IS NOT A STRANGER TO NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, I AM ASSUMING VIEWERS REMEMBER PROBABLY THE MOST NOTORIOUS ONE WHEN A REVEREND WILLIAMS DIED OF A HEART ATTACK WHEN POLICE BROKE INTO THE WRONG HOUSE.

THAT WAS A BIT AGO BUT IT WASN'T THE ONLY ONE.

YOU BOTH PROBABLY KNOW AMONG THOSE 29 STATES MASSACHUSETTS WAS ONE OF THEM.

AND AT THE END OF I THINK IT WAS 2020, IN THE POLICE REFORM SAID IF THE-- IF A LIFE IS A ALLEGEDLY IN DANGER, IF POLICE ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES, AND IF IT IS CERTIFIED THAT NO ONE OVER OF 5 NOR A MINOR IS IN THE PRESISES AS A NO-KNOCK WARRANT CAN BE GRANTED.

JENN, IS THAT SORT OF THE TYPICAL RESTRICTIONS THAT THESE OTHER TWO DOZEN PLUS STATES IN SOME CITIES PUT INTO PLACE AFTER THE KILLING OF TAYLOR AND OTHERS?

>> IT REALLY VARIES FROM STATE TO STATE AND EVEN FEDERAL AGENCIES LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAVE IMPOSED SOME RESTRICTIONS BUT I THINK IR'S RIGHT THAT A LOT ARE RESTRICTIONS VERSUS OUTRIGHT BANS, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT HAPPEN ON PAPER AND THESE NEW POLICIES BUT WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN PRACTICE DAY TO DAY AND I THINK WE SAW IT IN MINNEAPOLIS WITH THE KILLING OF AMIR LOCKE WHERE THEY PUT RESTRICTIONS ON NO-KNOCK BUT POLICE WERE STILL ABLE TO CARRY OUT A NO-KNOCK AND KILL SOMEONE.

SO I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON LEADERSHIP AND POLICE.

AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO FEEL STRONGLY THAT THESE ARE IMPORTANT TOOL, THAT THEY ARE THERE TO PROTECT THEIR SAFETY, THAT THEY DO PRESERVE EVIDENCE AND THEY ACTUALLY THWART VIOLENCE.

AND SO WHILE THERE ARE SOME OF AGENCIES THAT ARE RECONSIDERING HOW FREQUENTLY THEY ARE USED AND WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE ARE STILL MANY PEOPLE IN THE POLICE WHO DEFEND THEM AND THEIR EXISTENCE TODAY.

>> NICOLE, I AM GOING TO ATTEMPT TO END ON A POSITIVE NOTE AND TELL ME IF IT IS MISPLACED.

WHILE INCREASED ACCOUNTABILITY IS I ASSUME FROM WHAT JENN SAID SPOTTY, IT IS FAIR TO SAY THERE IS MORE ACCOUNT ABILITY ON THIS FRONT THAN THERE WAS SINCE THE TIME THAT BREONNA TAYLOR WAS KILLED IN HER OWN APARTMENT, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT YOU AFTER BREONNA TAYLOR'S KILLING, A LOT OF PEOPLE WAKING UP TO THE FACT THAT THESE EVEN EXIST.

AND SO THERE HAS BEEN MOVEMENT TO DO THESE KINDS OF RESTRICTIONS.

AND THERE IS EVEN BEEN MOVEMENT TO RESTRICT ALL SEARCH WARRANTS AS WELL SINCE SOMETIMES REGULAR SEARCH WARRANTS CAN ALSO BE DANGEROUS.

AND SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, A LOT OF DEBATES ABOUT THIS IN THE FUTURE AS PEOPLE KNOW MORE AND MORE ABOUT NO-KNOCK WARRANTS AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS WHEN THEY ARE EXECUTED.

>> Braude: I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, NICOLE AND JENN, BUT YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE DEBATE IN THIS COUNTRY IS HUGE, CONGRATULATIONSES.

I URGE EVERYBODY TO LISTEN EVERY MINUTE, ST GREAT TO YOU HAVE TONIGHT, THANKS.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU CAN FIND MUCH MORE INFORMATION ON THE "BROKEN DOORS" INVESTIGATION AND PODCAST AT washingtonpost.com.

MORE THAN A WEEK AFTER A DORCHESTER MAN WAS KILLED AFTER BEING DRAGGED BY AN M.B.T.A.

RED LINE TRAIN, THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS ABOUT WHAT WENT WRONG.

AND ACCORDING TO A "BOSTON GLOBE" REVIEW, THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST FIVE SIMILAR INCIDENTS OF PEOPLE GETTING STUCK IN BOSTON SUBWAY DOORS SINCE 1990.

AND IN THE PAST YEAR ALONE, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL M.B.T.A.

SAFETY INCIDENTS.

LAST SUMMER, TWO GREEN LINE TRAINS CRASHED IN BRIGHTON, SENDING MORE THAN TWO DOZEN PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL.

IN SEPTEMBER, A B.U.

PROFESSOR DIED AFTER FALLING THROUGH A RUSTED STAIRCASE AT J.F.K.-U-MASS STATION IN DORCHESTER.

A WEEK LATER, NINE PEOPLE WERE HURT WHEN AN ESCALATOR MALFUNCTIONED AT BACK BAY STATION.

AND JUST DAYS AFTER THAT, A RED LINE TRAIN DERAILED AT BROADWAY STATION.

AND IN JANUARY, A WOMAN WAS KILLED WHEN HER CAR WAS HIT BY A COMMUTER RAIL TRAIN IN WILMINGTON, AFTER CROSSING GATES AND LIGHTS DID NOT ACTIVATE IN TIME.

AND THEN THIS PAST SUNDAY, 39-YEAR-OLD ROBINSON LALIN'S ARM BECAME STUCK IN THE DOOR OF A RED LINE TRAIN AT BROADWAY STATION, AND HE WAS DRAGGED TO HIS DEATH.

THE CAR INVOLVED WAS TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE, THE DRIVER HAS BEEN PUT ON LEAVE, AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS ARE INVESTIGATING, BUT SAY THE FULL PROCESS COULD TAKE UP TO A YEAR.

AND WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO AN M.B.T.A.

SPOKESPERSON TODAY FOR COMMENT, THEY TOLD US: "IMPLORED BY [FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS] TO NOT MAKE COMMENTS REGARDING ANY ELEMENTS OF THE ONGOING INVESTIGATION, THE M.B.T.A.

WILL CONTINUE TO RESPECT THE FEDERAL AGENCY'S DIRECTIVE.

THE RED LINE CARS AND ALL OF THEIR COMPONENTS, INCLUDING DOORS, ARE SAFE."

I'M JOINED BY ROBINSON'S NEPHEW KELVIN LALIN.

KELVIN, I'M SORRY FOR THE LOSS OF YOUR UNCLE, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: HOW DID YOUR FAMILY LEARN ABOUT THE DEATH OF YOUR UNCLE.

>> TRANSIT POLICE CAME OVER ABOUT 2 SC 30 P.M. SUNDAY AFTERNOON.

>> Braude: AND WHAT DID THEY SAY TO YOU?

>> AND THEY ASKED QUESTIONS, I WAS AT THE SHOPPING MALL.

>> Braude: WHAT DID THEY SAY TO YOUR FAMILY, I MEAN.

>> THEY ASKED IF ROBINSON LALIN WAS FAMILIAR WITH THIS ADDRESS, MY MOTHER SAID YES, HE DID LIVE HERE, HE'S MY BROTHER.

AND THAT IS WHEN THEY GAVE HER THE NEWS, RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

>> Braude: DID THEY TELL HER ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED?

>> ACCORDING-- WELL, ONE OF MY UNCLES WAS THE ONE WHO RECEIVED THE OFFICERS AND SHE WAS BEHIND HIM AND SHE JUST STARTED CRYING.

BUT THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE SORRY FOR THE NEWS BUT THAT HAD HAPPENED.

>> Braude: BUT NOTHING ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE INCIDENT ITSELF.

>> NO, NO, I FOUND OUT-- .

>> Braude: SORRY, GO AHEAD.

>> I FOUND OUT BECAUSE MY MOTHER CALLED ME RIGHT AWAY AND TOLD ME TO DROP EVERYTHING, COME HOME.

WE LOST YOUR UNCLE.

I NEED YOU HERE RIGHT NOW.

SO WHEN I GOT THERE, I GOT ALL THE INFORMATION OF THE OFFICERS THAT CAME OVER TO THE HOUSE.

>> Braude: AND HOW MUCH INFORMATION WAS GIVEN?

WHAT DETAILS WERE GIVEN?

>> I CALLED AND ONE OF THE INVESTIGATORS THAT I SPOKE TO HAD TOLD HER THAT I'M GOING TO BE HANDLING THE FAMILY MATTERS, AND SHE CAN SPEAK TO ME BECAUSE MY MOTHER DOESN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND MUCH ENGLISH.

>> Braude: SO WHAT INFORMATION DID THEY GIVE YOU.

>> THEY, I HAD TO GIVE, UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD TO HELP THE OFFICER I.D.

MY UNCLE BECAUSE I WAS TOLD HE IS UNRECOGNIZABLE.

SO I HAD TO GIVE HER A DESCRIPTION OF YES, HE HAD TEETH, YES, HE HAD A FACE, YES, HE HAD-- IT IS TERRIBLE-- .

>> Braude: DID THEY PROVIDE DETAILS OR INFORMATION HOW HOW THIS HAPPENED TO YOUR UNCLE?

>> I WAS TOLD AT FIRST THAT HE WAS TRYING TO GET INTO THE TRAIN BUT THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST DAY.

THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY THE INVESTIGATORS.

>> Braude: BUT WHAT MI TRYING TO GET AT, KELVIN, ANY INFORMATION, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A MALFUNCTION FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

TRAINS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO MOVE IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE IS A, THE DOORS CAN CLOSE.

>> COUNTRY.

>> Braude: THE CONDUCTORS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO START THE TRAIN IF HIS PEOPLE ARE NOT-- DID YOU GET ANY INFORMATION FROM ANY OF THAT.

>> TO FROM MY EXPERIENCES WITH THE TRAIN PEOPLE, DO THIS EVERY DAY WHEN THEY ARE WANT TO LEAVE THE TRAIN OR THEY'RE TRYING TO CATCH THE TRAIN, THOSE DOORS HAVE SENSORS SO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GO OFF AND ALERT THE CONDUCTOR AS FAR AS I KNOW, I HAVE DONE IT IT BEFORE, PEOPLE DO IT EVERY DAY.

>> Braude: I WANT TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, HAS, I READ A STATEMENT FROM THE TT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO FILL IN BLANKS, THEY SAY BECAUSE THE NATD-- THE SAFETY BOARD IS LOOKING TOO THIS.

HAVE THEY PROVIDED ANY INFORMATION TO YOUR FAMILY ABOUT WHY THEY BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED TO YOUR UNCLE.

>> NO, UNFORTUNATELY, NO.

AND THAT'S WHAT EATS ME THE MOST BECAUSE IT IS AT THEIR HANDS AND MY UNCLE'S BLOOD SON THEIR HANDS.

I HAVEN'T HEARD A WORD FROM THE M.B.T.A.

THEY HAVE MY NUMBER.

EVERYONE HAS MY NUMBER.

BUT HAVE I HEARD FROM EVERYONE EXCEPT THEM.

>> Braude: DID YOU READ THE GLOBE STORY THAT THE SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE, AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR.

THE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE T THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING THE SAFETY AT THEIR MEETING FOUR DAYS AFTER YOUR UNCLE'S DEATH DIDN'T ASK ONE SINGLE QUESTION OF THE STAFF, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO WHAT?

>> I FEEL INSULTED AND DISRESPECTED.

>> Braude: DID DID YOU RETURN-- YOU WENT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU WENT TO THE BROADWAY T STATION.

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: AFTER YOUR UNCLE WHO I SAID, YOU SAID WAS LIKE A BROTHER TO YOU.

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: WHY DID YOU GO, WHAT WERE YOU HOPING TO SEE.

>> I WANTED TO SEE.

I WENT DOWN TO THE STATION.

I WENT, I TOOK A TOUR.

I REALIZED THAT THE STATION IS FLOODED WITH CAMERAS SO THEY HAVE A VIDEO ON FILE.

WE WANT TO SEE THE VIDEO, ACTUALLY.

MEI FAMILY WANTS TO SEE THE VIDEO.

>> Braude: HAVE YOU ASKED FOR THAT.

>> YES, THEY HAVE.

>> Braude: WHAT HAVE THEY SAID.

>> WE HAVEN'T HEARD.

WE GOT THE MESSAGE ACROSS.

>> Braude: HOW MANY DAYS AGO WAS THAT.

>> OH, IT'S BEEN A WEEK.

>> Braude: NO RESPONSE.

>> NO RESPONSE.

>> Braude: NO RESPONSE TO YOUR REQUEST.

>> NO RESPONSE, SIR.

>> Braude: WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THE T?

WHAT IS THE GOAL, THE FAMILY'S GOAL WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THE T. >> I WANT CLARITY I WANT SOMEONE TO SPEAK TO MY FAMILY AND GIVE US SOMETHING.

GIVE US SOMETHING OF SOME TYPE OF CONDOLENCE, LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

LET US KNOW, LET US KNOW SOMETHING, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.

>> Braude: BY THE WAY I SHOULD SAY WE'LL SAY AT THE END, YOU SETS UP A GO FUND ME PAGE FOR FUNERAL EXPENSES.

WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME WHEN I LOOKED AT IT IS MAYOR WU'S HUSBAND WAS A CONTRIBUTOR WHICH I THOUGHT WAS QUITE INTERESTING.

YOU KNOW, I SAY THIS OFTEN IN HORRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN THERE ARE UNTIMELY HORRIBLE DEATHS IS WE LEARN HOW SOMEONE WE DIDN'T KNOW DIED.

BUT WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW THAT PERSON LIVED.

YOU CAN SPEND A MINUTE AND TELL US ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOUR UNCLE WAS.

>> MY UNCLE WAS LOVED BY HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

HE WAS A CLEANER AT NIGHT SO I'M NOT SURE IF HE WAS ON HIS WAY TO WORK OR GOING HOME.

BUT MAN, HE WAS JUST ONE OF A KIND, ALWAYS SMILING.

LIKE EVERY PICTURE THAT IS OUT THERE OF HIM, HE'S ALWAYS SMILING.

>> Braude.

>> I'M THINKING B I ALWAYS GOT-OIS CASE ABOUT HIS-- THAT IS WHY EVERYONE THAT GOLD TOOTH SHINES BRIGHT.

>> Braude: WHEN YOU SAID HE WAS LIKE A BROTHER WHAT WAS YOUR RELATIONSHIP.

>> WELL, I'M, MY GRANDMOTHER'S FIRST GRAND SONG AND HE IS MY GRANDMOTHER'S LAST CHILD SO WE'RE ONLY EIGHT YEAR AS PART.

AND WE GREW UP TOGETHER AS BROTHERS, NOT UNCLE AND NEPHEW.

SO THAT, I LOST A BROTHER, ESPECIALLY IN THIS FORM, THIS MANNER, I HAVE NO ANSWERS, NOTHING IT IS LIKE I'M BIG IGNORED.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEING YOU KNOW, JUST PUT UNDER THE BRIDGE, SWEPTS UNDER THE RUG AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE RESTLESS AT THE MOMENT.

WE'RESTLESS.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE RESTLESS UNTIL WE GET SOME TYPE OF CLOSURE.

>> Braude: SEEMS TO ME YOU ENTITLED TO ENAS AND JUSTICE AND ON MY BEHALF I HOPE YOU GET BORKS KAL VEN, CONDOLENCES TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, REALLY SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

KELVIN HAS SET UP A WEBSITE FOR THE FAMILY'S EFFORTS TO HONOR ROBINSON.

YOU CAN FIND IT BY GOING TO gofundme.com, AND SEARCHING: ROBINSON LALIN.

THERE IS BIG DEMAND FOR PEOPLE SKILLED IN SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING AND MATH, OR STEM WORKERS, IN MASSACHUSETTS.

THESE DAYS, WOMEN STILL HOLD FAR FEWER OF THOSE WELL-PAYING JOBS THAN MEN.

BUT AS LIZ NEISLOSS SHOWS US, SOME ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT.

>> AT PLOUFFE ACADEMY IN BROCKTON, THESE FIVE 8th GRADERS TEAMED UP AND GAVE THEMSELVES A NICKNAME.

>> THE GALACTIC GIRLS!

>> AND WENT ON TO WIN A NATIONAL CONTEST WITH THEIR PLAN TO GROW FOOD ON MARS.

>> THIS HAIR DRYER WILL REPRESENT THE DUST WINDS.

THAT HAS SPEED FROM-- PLIELS ON MARS >> IT TOOK INGENUITY AND GRAHAM CRACKER CRUMBS TO RECREATE MARS' CHALLENGING DUST STORMS.

AND TO DEMONSTRATE GROWING FOOD WITH WATER IT TOOK A DAD WILLING TO GET WET.

AND IT TOOK MENTORS LIKE THEIR GUIDANCE COUNSELOR.

WITH THE GALACTIC GIRLS COULD YOU JUST SEE THAT IT WAS-- THEY WANTED IT SO BAD AND THEY WORKED SO HARD.

HE CONNECTED THEM TO A STAR MENTOR.

>> AND THEN I WENT TO WORK ON THE SPACE LAUNCH SYSTEM ROCKET.

>> FORMER NASA SPACE FLIGHT CENTER DIRECTOR TODD MAY.

>> DO YOU THINK WE'LL EVER PLACE A PERSON ON MARS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MAY TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL POWER SUPPLY ON MARS AND THEN ABOUT THE GIRL'S OWN POTENTIAL.

>> DON'T THINK YOU CAN'T DO T YOU LOOK PRETTY CONFIDENT ALREADY, YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE LEADERS OF THE NEXT GENERATION.

>> MAY SAYS WITH A WAR FOR TAL INT UNDER WAY IN HIS INDUSTRY THERE SAY SERIOUS NEED FOR MORE MENTORS FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS.

>> TO ME IT IS A MATTER OF NECESSITY AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED FEMALE ENGINEERS.

WE NEED FEMALE SCIENTISTS, WE NEED FEMALE ASTRONAUTS.

>> AND THAT'S THE POWER OF MENTORS, HELPING YOUNG PEOPLE SEE THEMSELVES IN CAREERS THEY NEVER CONSIDERED.

>> LIKE IT OPENS SO MUCH DOORS FOR A LOT OF US IN THIS GROUP.

IT HAS HELPED PEAF WAYS TO CAREER PATHS THAT A LOT OF US DIDN'T THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY DO.

>> IN MASSACHUSETTS, OUTSIDE OF HEALTH CARE, WOMEN HOLD ONLY 29 PERCENT OF STEM JOBS AND ON AVERAGE THOSE JOBS PAY 30,000 DOLLARS MORE A YEAR.

>> THIS ISAR WAY TO LIFT UP FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES, GOOD PAYING JOB, WHY NOT WHY NOT TAP INTO THE TALENT.

>> I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT SCIENCE MENTORING HELPS SUSTAIN THIS THUMB.

ELOISA SALCEDO IS A MENTOR WITH CAMBRIDGE-BASED SCIENCE CLUB FOR GIRLS.

SHE WAS ONCE A STUDENT IN THE PROGRAM.

>> WHAT I LIKED ABOUT WHAT THE MENTORS DID WITH THE SCIENCE PART WAS MAKING IT REALLY FUN.

AND THEY WERE COOL AND THEY DID SCIENCE.

BUT THEY ALSO, LIKE, HAD OTHER INTERESTS.

AND THEY JUST KIND OF EMBODIED THIS PERSON THAT I KIND OF WANT TO BE WHEN I WAS OLDER.

>> SHE'S HEADED FOR COLLEGE WITH SCHOLARSHIP MONEY TO STUDY ENGINEERING OR COMPUTER SCIENCE.

AS FOR THE GALACTIC GIRLS?

COULD YOU GUYS SEE YOURSELVES ON MARS ACTUALLY?

>> I COULD SEE MYSELF BEHIND THE PROJECT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO TO MARS BECAUSE ONCE YOU GO TO MARS, YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK.

IT WOULD BE A WHILE 'TIL YOU COME BACK.

YEAH.

>> GETTING MORE GIRLS LIKE THEM TO HAVE FUN WITH STEM MEANS MORE MENTORS NEED TO COME INTO PLAY.

LIZ NEISLOSS, GBH NEWS >> Braude: THE PRIZE FOR THE GALACTIC GIRLS INCLUDED $10,000 FOR THEIR BROCKTON SCHOOL.

MUCH OF IT WENT TO BUY SCIENCE EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING MICROSCOPES.

AND WHILE THEY MAY NOT BE HEADING TO MARS, AT LEAST FOR NOW, THE GIRLS DEDICATED SOME OF THEIR PRIZE MONEY TO HELP TRANSPORT THEIR FELLOW 8th GRADERS ON A YEAR END TRIP TO AN ADVENTURE PARK.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW.

THANKS FOR WATCHING, AND STAY SAFE.

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