>>> INDIANA OFFERS A PREVIEW OF WHAT'S TO COME IN OHIO.

WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD."

INDIANA IS A CONSERVATIVE STATE.

IT HAS A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, REPUBLICANS OWN SUPER MAJORITIES IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

NEARLY ALL OF THEM STRONGLY OPPOSE ABORTION RIGHTS.

DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR?

THAT'S WHY INDIANA THIS WEEK PROVIDED A PREVIEW OF WHAT'S TO COME IN OHIO.

[ chanting ] THE LOUD PROTESTS WERE NOT CONFINED TO THE HALLWAYS AND DESPITE THEIR DOMINANCE REPUBLICANS STRUGGLED TO REACH CONSENSUS ON A BILL TO BAN NEARLY ALL ABORTIONS.

THEY DISAGREED ON PENALTY, EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE AND INCEST, AND A MULTITUDE OF OTHER ISSUES.

JULIE CARR SMYTH IT SEEMED LIKE NO ONE WAS HAPPY WITH THE BILL THEY WERE DEBATING IN INDIANA.

>> RIGHT.

WE HAVE THIS SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, THIS HAS BEEN PUNTED TO THE STATES AND THEY HAVE TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE ALL OUT BAN IS WHERE THE STATE STARTS WHICH IS WHAT THE MOVEMENT WANTED NATIONALLY BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRACTICALITY OF GETTING THE VOTES AND SO FORTH YOU SAW THAT THE EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE AND INCEST WERE A BIG PROBLEM.

AND SO THERE WAS A GROUP THAT WANTED THOSE OUT OF THE BILL BUT WE KNOW THE OHIO RAPE CASE HERE AND WE SAW THOSE CAME OUT IN THE LAST MINUTE IN THE CURRENT VERSION.

>> AND SAYING IT WAS NO COINCIDENCE THEY WERE DEBATING THIS TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS OF THE TERRIBLE CASE OF THE 10-YEAR-OLD GIRL FROM COLUMBUS GOING TO INDIANA.

SHE HAD BEEN RAPED AND BECAME PREGNANT, GOING TO INDIANA FOR THE ABORTION.

>> YES.

AND, YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR DeWINE HAS BEEN REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THIS.

HE WON'T ENGAGE ON QUESTIONS ON RAPE OR INCEST OR EXCEPTIONS FOR MINORS OR CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF CONSENT.

I ACTUALLY THINK WE MAY END UP WITH A MORE CONSERVATIVE BILL BECAUSE THE SENATE PRESIDENT IS REALLY CLEAR HE DOESN'T SEE AN EXEMPTION FOR RAPE OR INCEST AND DOESN'T WANT IT IN HIS LEGISLATION.

>> THIS SHOWS THE DOG THAT CAUGHT THE CAR.

SUDDENLY REPUBLICANS RAILING AGAINST ABORTION IN ROE VS. WADE FOR 40 YEARS NOW HAVE A CHANCE TO FIX IT IN THEIR MIND AND THEY'RE NOT UNIFIED.

>> NO.

THAT'S BECAUSE OF A VARIETY OF THINGS.

THE WAY I ALWAYS PUT IT THERE IS A GROUP, REPUBLICANS WHO DO NOT LISTEN TO TALK RADIO.

THEY WATCH NPR, LISTEN TO NPR.

WATCH PBS.

25% OF REPUBLICANS ARE PRO CHOICE.

SO AS THEY DO THIS THEY ARE GIVING THEM MORE IMPETUS IN COMMUNITIES LIKE DUBLIN, UPPER ARLINGTON, TO SWITCH OVER AND BECOME Ds.

I LOOK AT THIS AS A REAL CONCERN OVERALL FOR MY PARTY.

THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AWAY.

>> INDIANA IS STILL GOING TO PASS A PRETTY RESTRICTIVE ABORTION BAN.

JUST ON THE MARGINS THERE MAY BE EXCEPTIONS FOR CERTAIN CATEGORIES BUT IT IS GOING TO BE, ABORTION WILL BE ILLEGAL MORE THAN NOW IN INDIANA.

BUT DOES THIS GIVE ACTIVISTS WHO WANT ABORTION RIGHTS, WHO SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS HOPE TO AT LEAST INFLUENCE THIS DEBATE IN OHIO?

>> I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT.

WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ALREADY HAS BEEN AN EXTREME RESTRICTION OF FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY FOR A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT IN OHIO AND A LOT OF OTHER PLACES.

SO I DO THINK THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A RALLYING CRY FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO RETAIN OUR RIGHTS AS AMERICANS, OUR FREEDOMS, AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE STATE LOCAL, NATIONAL STRATEGY TO DO THAT?

>> YOU MENTIONED THE GOVERNOR DeWINE, GOVERNOR HOLCOMB IN INDIANA ALSO KIND OF PLAYED -- IN THE BACKGROUND, LETTING THE LAWMAKERS DO THEIR THING.

ANOTHER SIMILARITY TO HOW OUR GOVERNOR OPERATES.

DO YOU SEE MIKE DeWINE TAKING A BACK SEAT TO THIS DEBATE WHEN IT COMES LIKELY IN NOVEMBER?

>> I THINK IT WILL LIKELY COME AFTER THE ELECTION.

THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT LAME DUCK WHICH IS THE PERIOD AFTER THE ELECTION SO KIND OF BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS WHEN LAWMAKERS MAY TAKE THIS BACK UP.

BUT NOTABLY, MIKE DeWINE TOOK HIS PRO LIFE OR PRO STANCE OFF HIS WEBSITE.

HE REMOVED A WHOLE SECTION OF HIS CAMPAIGN WEBSITE WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT SIGNING THE HEART BEAT BILL WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.

HE TALKED ABOUT BEING THE MOST PRO LIFE GOVERNOR OF OHIO.

ALL OF THAT HAS KIND OF COME OFF.

HIS FOLKS SAY THEY WERE JUST UPDATING THE WEBSITE BUT THERE IS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO PLAY WITH SORT OF SUBURBAN VOTERS >> I BET THEY WOULD NOT HAVE COME OFF BEFORE THE PRIMARY.

>> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT BECAUSE HE WAS FACED WITH FOLKS WHO WERE -- HERE IS THE INTERESTING THING.

IF I HAD TO DEFINE MIKE DeWINE IT WOULD BE HIS PRO LIFE STANCE.

HE HAS BEEN -- HIS ENTIRE CAREER ONE OF THE MOST CONSISTENTLY PRO LIFE POLITICIANS OUT THERE.

AND I JUST HAVE TO GO BACK TO ONE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SENATE PRESIDENT, MATT HOFFMAN, MOST OF THE MEMBERS, THEY ARE DECIDED BY THE PRIMARY.

THAT PRIMARY THE NRA RANKINGS HAVE A HUGE IMPACT AS THE OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE RANKING.

THAT IS DONE BY A QUESTIONNAIRE.

THE QUESTIONNAIRE IS WILL YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF WAYS TO GO AHEAD AND PUT FURTHER RESTRICTIONS ON THIS.

THAT IS ONE REASON I'M BACKING RANK CHOICE VOTING.

>> JULIE?

>> I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS CASE, THE 10-YEAR-OLD GIRL, IT IS REALLY TELLING BECAUSE THE MOVEMENT AS I SAY HAS A LOT OF THOSE WHO WERE REALLY CELEBRATING AND SAYING WE CAN FINALLY END ABORTION ALL TOGETHER IN THIS COUNTRY.

NOW WE FIND NOT ONLY THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL IN THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH THIS WEEK, THE HEAD OF RIGHT TO LIFE SAYING WE BELIEVE THAT HAS ALLOWED THIS.

THERE IS A HUGE LEGAL AND MEDICAL BATTLE BUT THE POINT BEING NOW THEY DON'T OPPOSE EVERY ABORTION.

AND SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO PLAY AT THE OHIO STATE HOUSE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY INTRODUCED LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION?

IT IS STILL REALLY ABOUT LIKE INDIANA HERE IN OHIO.

>> WATCH THE INDIANA DEBATE CLOSELY BECAUSE WE'LL SEE ALMOST A CARBON COPY COME NOVEMBER/DECEMBER WHEN THE LAME DUCK SESSION STARTS.

COLUMBUS CITY COUNCIL THIS WEEK TOOK AN AGGRESSIVE STAND ON ABORTION ACCESS.

THE ALL DEMOCRATIC CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SENDING $1 MILLION TO PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP WOMEN TRAVEL OUT OF STATE TO GET ABORTIONS.

ANOTHER ABORTION SENDS $26,000 TO THE GROUP PRO CHOICE OHIO TO INVESTIGATE SO-CALLED PREGNANCY CRISIS CENTERS WHICH ENCOURAGE PREGNANT WOMEN TO FOREGO ABORTION.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBER LIZ BROWN CALLS THEM FAKE CLINICS.

OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE DENOUNCED THE MOVE SAYING IT WILL PUT VULNERABLE WOMEN AT RISK AND STRIP THEM OF NEEDED RESOURCES.

MORGAN HARPER, THIS MONEY THE MILLION DOLLARS WOULD HAVE GONE TO CITY SERVICES.

SHOULD THE CITY BE USING THAT MONEY TO HELP WOMEN WHO ARE SEEKING ABORTION TRAVEL OUT OF STATE?

>> ANY TIME THERE IS AN EXPENDITURE AT ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT THERE SHOULD BE DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE WITH THE PUBLIC, WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT WHAT THAT MONEY IS GOING TOWARD.

I HAVE TO ASSUME IF THIS IS THE ROUTE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TAKEN THEY BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE STATE LEVEL, AND THIS IS A RIGHT THAT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED AND IS NOW THE LAST STOP IN THE SHORT TERM FOR US TO PRESERVE THAT RIGHT FOR WOMEN AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR CITY.

>> IS THIS A GOOD USE OF CITY TAX DOLLARS?

>> I WOULD SAY I'LL TAKE A GUESS ABOUT 25% OF COLUMBUS'S POPULATION WILL TAKE GREAT EXCEPTION TO THIS EXPENDITURE.

THIS PART OF THE CORE FUNCTION OF THE CITY?

LEAVING ASIDE THE ISSUES YOU BROUGHT UP, BUT IS IT A CORE FUNCTION OF THE CITY?

YOU KNOW?

>> PROVIDING HEALTH CARE, ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE FOR RESIDENTS?

>> WELL, IF YOU WANT TO DO HEALTH CARE THEN I CAN GIVE YOU OTHER WAYS YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND USE MONEY ON A MORE DIRECT BASIS, TOO.

>> ACTUALLY A GREAT POINT, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE WONDER ABOUT THE DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION A LOT OF REPUBLICANS IN OUR STATE LEGISLATURE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL HAVE SPENT ON THIS ISSUE RELATIVE TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS AND CHALLENGES FACING OUR COUNTRY.

DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

THE ANSWER THERE IS NO IN MY VIEW.

>> $26,000.

NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT IT IS GOING TO PRO CHOICE OHIO.

STRONGLY ADVOCATES FOR ABORTION RIGHTS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO INVESTIGATE THESE PREGNANCY CARE CENTERS.

HARDLY AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION I'M GUESSING.

>> RIGHT.

I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT AWAY AS AP WHATEVER THEY FIND WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO REPORT ON, BECAUSE WE DON'T USE SURVEYS THAT ARE DONE BY INTEREST GROUPS THAT HAVE A VESTED INTEREST.

SO, UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN IF IT IS A COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE REVIEW, IT DOES HAVE THAT FEEL OF SOME BIAS.

>> AS COMPANIES ARE OFFERING SUPPORT FOR WOMEN TO TRAVEL OUT OF STATE SOME OTHER CITY GOVERNMENTS, CLEVELAND, IS CONSIDERING IT.

CINCINNATI IS PAYING FOR CITY EMPLOYEES.

THIS IS -- THE STATE IS NOT GOING TO DO THIS FOR ITS EMPLOYEES AND RESIDENTS.

>> NO.

NOTABLY THE STATE GIVES MONEY TO THESE PREGNANCY CRISIS CENTERS, ONE OF THE CONTENTIOUS PARTS OF THE BUDGET.

THEY ALLOCATE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS TO THESE CENTERS.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT IS ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS NOW ABOUT ACCESS THAT IS REALLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO FINANCES.

DO I HAVE THE MONEY FOR CHILD CARE?

DO I HAVE THE MONEY TO TAKE OFF WORK?

DO I HAVE MONEY FOR THE HOTEL IF I HAVE TO STAY OVERNIGHT?

THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT THE LEELT EVEN IF YOU ARE EARLY ENOUGH IN PREGNANCY TO TAKE AN ABORTION PILL, THERE IS A LEGAL QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN BRING THAT PILL BACK TO OHIO AND TAKE IT HERE OR WHETHER YOU MUST TAKE IT IN THE OTHER STATE.

AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF COSTS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT AND I THINK FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT'S JUST GOING, WHETHER YOU HAVE AN ABORTION MAY COME DOWN TO WHETHER YOU HAVE THE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO TRAVEL.

>> AND IT SHOULD NOT COME DOWN TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO LIVE IN COLUMBUS VERSUS SOME OTHER CITY IN OHIO.

AND THE WAY WE FOUGHT FOR THAT IS BY PROTECTING THE FACT THAT ABORTION IS HEALTH CARE AND WE NEED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO PRESERVE ACCESS TO ABORTION.

>> BACK TO THE PREGNANCY CARE CENTERS, GENE, SHOULD THERE BE MORE OVERSIGHT?

THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS THAT FOLKS AT THESE CENTERS MISLEAD WOMEN, DON'T TELL THEM THE WHOLE STORY, DON'T GIVE THEM ALL THE OPTIONS, PERHAPS GIVE THEM MEDICAL THEORIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PROVEN.

SHOULD THE CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT BE INVESTIGATING THESE?

THE FDA I GUESS OR STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT?

>> WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS I'LL PLAY UPON SOMETHING JULIE JUST BROUGHT UP, IF WE ONLY HAD A MAJOR STATE UNIVERSITY IN COLUMBUS THAT HAD A RESEARCH ARM, THAT COULD DO AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF THIS WHOLE ISSUE.

THAT GETS TO YOUR ISSUE OF YOU NEED -- AND I UNDERSTAND THAT -- BUT I PUT THIS DOWN, THIS IS A DATA FREE ZONE.

THIS IS A DATA FREE ZONE.

THIS WHOLE TOPIC.

EVERYBODY HAS OPINIONS, VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE DATA.

>> BUT I WILL JUST ADD IN TERMS -- PIGGY BACKING OFF WHAT YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT BEFORE, IS IT A CITY FUNCTION?

I MEAN, GOVERNMENTS WILL BE HAVING TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, ADOPTION, FOSTER CARE, HEALTH CARE, WELFARE NEEDS OF VARIOUS FAMILIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THESE NEW ABORTION RESTRICTIONS.

SO SOMEWHERE IN THERE HAS TO BE THE BALANCE.

>> IT IS THE FINAL DAYS OF JULY AND WE STILL HAVE NOT SEEN MUCH OF JD VANCE THIS SUMMER.

HIS DEMOCRATIC U.S. SENATE OPPONENT CAN TIM RYAN CONTINUES TO RUN LOTS OF ADS AND TOUR THE STATE.

BUT VANCE CONTINUES TO LIE RELATIVELY LOW.

THAT LEAVES THE AUTHOR AND VENTURE CAPITALIST OPEN TO CRITICISM FROM DEMOCRATS AND SOME FELLOW REPUBLICANS.

GENE KREBS SHOULD REPUBLICANS BE WORRIED AT THE LACK OF VISIBILITY IN LATE JULY?

>> YES.

ARE WE DONE?

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, PART OF IT GOES TO, SO GOING BACK, I SAID THIS ON THE SHOW MANY MONTHS AGO WHEN TIM STARTED TO PUT UP THESE ADS, YOU KNOW, AT 6:58 IN THE MORNING AND 6:28 IN THE EVENING I'M GOING, THIS IS JUST STUPID.

NOBODY PUTS UP CAMPAIGN ADS THIS EARLY.

I'VE COME AROUND GOING, OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND THIS.

JD NEEDS TO MATCH HIM ON THIS TO KEEP THE GAME EVEN.

AND RIGHT NOW, RYAN HAS DEFINED WHO HE IS AND IS NOW ABOUT DEFINING WHO JD VANCE IS.

AND IT IS ENOUGH I THINK TO AFFECT THE FUNDRAISING.

HE NEEDS TO DITCH WHOEVER IS GIVING HIM BAD ADVICE AND COME UP WITH BETTER ADVICE.

>> MORGAN, YOU RAN AGAINST TIM RYAN IN THE PRIMARY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

HE IS BASICALLY RUNNING SOME WOULD SAY EVEN AS A LIBERAL REPUBLICAN RATHER THAN MODERATE DEMOCRAT, TRUMP DEMOCRAT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE CAMPAIGN?

>> IT IS VERY CLEAR AT THIS POINT TIM RYAN IS THE ONLY CHOICE FOR US IN OHIO TO HAVE A SENATOR WHO ACTUALLY HAS SOME KNOWN ABILITY TO HOLD ELECTED OFFICE AND SPEAK ON SOME ISSUES.

WHAT WE ARE SEEING FROM JD VANCE IS THE DANGER OF OUR POLITICS BEING CORRUPTED BY SUPER PACS.

JD VANCE HAS NEVER BEEN GOOD AT RAISING MONEY AND NOT A GOOD CANDIDATE AND THE ONLY REASON HE WON THE PRIMARY IS BECAUSE PETER TEAL GAVE HIM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, A BILLIONAIRE WHO LIVES IN CALIFORNIA.

>> AND TRUMP ENDORSED HIM WHICH GAVE HIM A BOOST TOO.

>> THAT ALSO HELPS.

>> SO WILL TIM RYAN BE ABLE TO GET PROGRESSIVES LIKE YOURSELF OUT TO VOTE FOR HIM IF HE IS RUNNING ADS CRITICIZING CHINA, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT HOW HE'S NOT IN THE POCKET OF ANY PARTY, BASICALLY LOOKING LIKE ALMOST A TRUMPESQUE DEMOCRAT?

>> YOU KNOW, I WASN'T A HUGE FAN OF THOSE ADS REFERENCING THE POWER OF CHINA, THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT.

IT IS NOT THAT THAT ISN'T AN ISSUE WE DON'T NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

WE DO.

WE NEED TO SPEAK ABOUT HOW WE'LL BE ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE IN A VERY, VERY FRAUGHT GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT BUT THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT AND ALSO NOT BE RACIST AND NOT USE RACIST RHETORIC.

I WILL SAY GIVEN HOW WEAK A CANDIDATE JD VANCE IS AND HOW MUCH BETTER OF A CAMPAIGN TIM RYAN IS RUNNING AND WHERE WE ARE AT AS A COUNTRY AND SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED TODAY TIM RYAN IS THE ONLY OPTION.

>> BOTTOM LINE, ANNA STAVER, THIS IS STILL A REPUBLICAN STATE.

DONALD TRUMP WON BY SIX OR EIGHT POINTS TWICE AGAINST HILL HILL AND JOE BIDEN, MIKE DeWINE HEAVY FAVORITE.

THAT ALONE WILL MAKE TIM RYAN'S FIGHT TOUGH.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK IT IS A CASE WHERE TIM RYAN HAS TO DO EVERYTHING RIGHT AND THAT IS THE QUESTION.

I THINK WE'RE ALL ASKING RIGHT NOW, IS HE MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICES?

YOU KNOW, JD VANCE HAS SAID WE'LL COME OUT WITH ADS, WE'LL TELL YOU WHO TIM RYAN IS.

YOU KNOW, THE BIG QUESTION I HAVE IS, IF RYAN HAS ALREADY SET IN THE MINDS OF OHIOANS WHO HE IS, ARE THOSE ADS GOING TO BE AS EFFECTIVE WHEN THEY COME IN SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER?

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, IF TIM RYAN PULLS IT OFF, I THINK WE WILL ALL BE STUDYING HOW HE DID IT FOR YEARS TO COME.

>> HE IS GETTING A LOT OF NATIONAL ATTENTION, JULIE.

THE "NEW YORK TIMES," POLITICO, NBC NEWS, THIS WEEK READ ABOUT THIS CAMPAIGN.

THE POLLS -- THIS HAS TO BE HELPING HIS EFFORT TO EARN NATIONAL MONEY.

>> YES.

CONSOLIDATED THE MONEY WHEN HE WON THE PRIMARY AND I THINK THEY LOOK AT THIS AS A, EVEN THOUGH TRUMP WON HERE BY EIGHT POINTS TWICE, DONALD TRUMP IS A VERY UNIQUE CANDIDATE.

HE IS A UNIQUE REPUBLICAN.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY EXTRAPOLATE HIS WINS HERE TO OTHER CANDIDATES.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT JD VANCE CAN SWEEP IN AT THE LAST MINUTE.

HE PROVED HE CAN AND HE CAN ADVERTISE FOR A FEW WEEKS TOWARD THE END AND GET A HUGE SURGE.

>> ONE-ON-ONE NOW, GENE.

HAS JD VANCE CONSOLIDATED HIS SUPPORT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN OHIO?

DO WE KNOW THAT YET?

>> I DON'T THINK WE KNOW THAT YET.

IF I COULD GET BOTH OF THE GENTLEMEN IN THE ROOM AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD REMIND THEM OF ONE VERY IMPORTANT DATA POINT.

SINCE 1980, 8 #8% OF JOB LOSSES HAVE OCCURRED DUE TO AUTOMATION ONLY 12% OUT SOURCING SO SHUT UP ABOUT CHINA STEALING OUR JOBS.

THAT IS A LIE.

>> BUT THE VOTERS HEAR THAT.

>> POLITICS ACCORDING TO JOHN ADAMS IS A SYSTEMATIC ORGANIZATION OF OUR HATREDS.

IT IS A LOT EASIER TO HATE SOMEONE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY THAN A ROBOT.

>> THESE DAYS LITTLE BRINGS OHIO DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TOGETHER.

THIS WEEK LAWMAKERS FROM BOTH PARTIES RACED TO PUBLISH PRESS RELEASES CLAIMING CREDIT FOR OR PRAISING CONGRESS FOR PASSING THE CHIPS ACT.

FIRST THE SENATE AND THEN THE HOUSE QUICKLY APPROVED $52 BILLION IN SUBSIDIES FOR COMPUTER CHIP MANUFACTURERS TO BUILD FACTORIES HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

THAT MEANS NOTHING NOW STANDS IN THE WAY OF INTEL BUILDING ITS FIRST TWO CHIP FACTORIES IN NEW ALBANY AT A COST OF $20 BILLION AND TO ALSO BUILD THE MANY OTHER FACTORIES IT HAS PROMISED TO BUILD IN NEW ALBANY.

WE CAN SCHEDULE THE GROUNDBREAKING NOW.

>> POSSIBLY.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JULY 22nd BUT THEY CANCELED IT AND I GUESS THAT WAS SORT OF THE STICK THEY HAD GIVEN US BECAUSE WE HADN'T PASSED THE CHIPS ACT YET THEY DECIDED TO DELAY.

THEY HAD COMMITTED TO THESE TWO INITIAL PLANS AND 20 BILLION BUT THE CARROT THEY'VE BEEN HOLDING OUT FOR MONTHS NOW IS IF WE PASS THE CHIP ACT THEN WE COULD HAVE $100 BILLION INVESTMENT AND MULTIPLE PLANS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS AND THEY WERE LIKE THIS IS CONTINGENT ON THAT AND SO IT IS NO SURPRISE YOU SAW NOT A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, SORRY, NOT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATION BUT A LARGE CHUNK OF OUR OWN DELEGATION DID.

>> JIM JORDAN VOTED AGAINST IT.

THE LEADERSHIP ASKED HIM TO VOTE NO BECAUSE OF APPARENTLY THE LOOMING PASSAGE OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE SPENDING BILL.

MORGAN, IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW?

>> WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD.

ONE THING WITH ANY KIND OF CORPORATE GIVEAWAY IS IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE TERMS.

TRANSPARENCY IS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.

I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT VALUE TO SEEK AS TAXPAYERS IN OHIO.

YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, TAKING OFF SOMETHING JIM WAS SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE A COHERENT, INDUSTRIAL POLICY STRATEGY.

SO IF INTEL IS A PIECE OF THAT LET'S GO FOR IT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND SOMETIMES THESE NEGOTIATIONS BECOME VERY MUCH TIED TO WHAT A SPECIFIC COMPANY WANTS AND WILL PROFIT OFF OF.

>> JULIE THE STATE OFFICIALS OBVIOUSLY VERY PLEASED BY THIS, THEY WERE PUSHING HARD, INTEL AND THEY PLAYED A LITTLE BIT OF HARDBALL INTEL THREATENING TO TAKE PLANTS TO GERMANY, DELAY THE GROUNDBREAKING AS WE MENTIONED.

NOW THE BURDEN IS ON THEM TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

>> RIGHT.

AND I MEAN, WE SAW THE INTEL CEO COME OUT AND SAY WE'RE READY TO BREAK GROUND NOW.

THANK YOU, CONGRESS.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GO FORWARD.

THEY WERE PROBABLY WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES BUT THIS SYMBOLISM OF BREAKING GROUND AND REALLY KICKING OFF THIS PROJECT IS WHAT THE POLITICIANS WANT AND NEED AT THIS POINT.

>> JIM JORDAN VOTED NO FOLLOWING THE LEADERSHIP'S ADVICE.

IF THIS WAS A MARRIAGE BILL HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE VOTED YES BUT IT WON'T COST HIM, GENE?

>> NO IT WON'T COST HIM.

THIS MIGHT ILLUSTRATE SOMETHING.

IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FOLKS TWO HOURS WEST OF HERE I SAID LOOK.

THIS CHIP MANUFACTURING IS LIKE PART OF THE NATIONAL DEFENSE.

BECAUSE EVERY WEAPON UPSCALE FROM THAT OF A FIREARM HAS CHIPS INVOLVED IN IT.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR GUNS MANUFACTURED BY THE CHINESE.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR CHIPS MANUFACTURED BY THE CHINESE.

TO WHICH THEY SAY, COLUMBUS IS THE ONE GETTING ALL THE MONEY.

AND SO I GET VARIATIONS OF THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET LEFT OUT.

AND SO THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF -- MUCH TO MY HORROR, PEOPLE IN RURAL OHIO ARE ABSOLUTELY COMING TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS NOT FAIR.

AND IT'S THE ISSUE OF NOT FAIRNESS THAT DRIVES PEOPLE TO MAKE IRRATIONAL VOTING DECISIONS.

>> WON'T CAUSE THEM TO VOTE DEMOCRAT THOUGH.

>> OR SKIP IT OR LEAVE PARTS BLANK OR STAY HOME.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THE LAST TOPIC, OUR FINAL TOPIC IS ONE WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT MUCH LATELY WHICH IS KIND OF HARD TO BELIEVE.

COVID.

BUT OF COURSE IT IS STILL WITH US BUT WE'RE LIVING, LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT.

OHIO REPORTS 30,000 NEW CASES LAST WEEK.

THE FOURTH CONSECUTIVE WEEKLY INCREASE.

ABOUT 700 OHIOANS WERE HOSPITALIZED WITH COVID DURING THE LAST REPORTED PERIOD AND 54 PEOPLE DIED.

THE CITY OF COLUMBUS RECOMMENDS PEOPLE WEAR MASKS IN PUBLIC PLACES.

IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, JUST A RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT.

ANNA STAVER, IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT.

BUT IT IS THERE.

WE HAVE COLLEAGUES, FAMILY MEMBERS WHO HAVE GOTTEN COVID OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS.

MASKS ARE STARTING TO SHOW UP.

>> I'VE SEEN A COUPLE IN THE GROCERY STORE ANIMAL.

I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE MASK FATIGUE AND IF THEY ARE FULLY VACCINATED AND BOOSTED PROBABLY AREN'T WANTING TO DO IT AGAIN WITHOUT A MANDATE WHICH COLUMBUS, FRANKLIN COUNTY, LOTS OF PLACES SEEM RELUCTANT TO GO THAT ROUTE.

I THINK IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.

I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO HEAD TOWARD YEAR THREE.

IT CAN FEEL EXHAUSTING TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT.

I'VE HEARD SOME RUMBLINGS FROM DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, AT DIFFERENT SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT DO WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS, DO WE NOT.

WE JUST STARTED TAKING MASKS OFF ON AIRPLANES.

I DON'T KNOW.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT PLACE TO BE IN.

>> OHIO UNIVERSITY, JULIE, MANDATED MASKS STARTING NEXT WEEK.

ATHENS COUNTY SIMILAR LEVEL TO FRANKLIN COUNTY.

THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO WEAR A MASK ON CAMPUS.

THE STUDENTS AREN'T BACK FOR THE MOST PART.

DO WE SEE MANDATES COMING, OHIO STATE, SCHOOLS?

>> I THINK THAT IT WILL BE A PATCHWORK.

PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR EXPERIENCE NOW WHICH WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT SHOWS THAT THESE MASK MANDATES ARE SPOTTY IN BEING EFFECTIVE PARTLY BECAUSE YOU ARE PROTECTING OTHER PEOPLE.

IF YOU OPPOSE MASKS AND YOU WEAR IT UNDER YOUR NOSE OR YOU TAKE IT OFF OR YOU GO AND YOU TAKE IT OFF WHEN YOU EAT, EVEN IN A MANDATED AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF GERMS STILL GOING AROUND.

YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY THE VACCINES THAT ARE THE MOST PROTECTED.

>> 59% OF OHIOANS ARE FULLY VACCINATED.

THAT MEANS 41% ARE NOT.

>> YES.

>> THAT IS ABOUT 10 POINTS LOWER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, GENE.

>> THAT IS ALL MY NEIGHBORS AND RELATIVES WHICH IS THE PHRASE I USE INTERCHANGEABLY.

THIS IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO HURT MIKE DeWINE BECAUSE AS WE, MY PEOPLE BACK HOME ARE INCENSED WITH HIM OVER THE MASK MANDATES, THE VACCINES, ALL OF THAT.

AND ALL THIS DOES IS JUST RUB SALT ON THE WOUND AS WE GET CLOSER TO ELECTION DAY.

I'VE SAID BEFORE ON THE SHOW AND IF COVID COMES BACK AT ALL IT JUST HURTS HIM ALL THE MORE.

>> MORGAN REAL QUICKLY SHOULD THEY MANDATE MASKS IN PUBLIC PLACES?

>> I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE AT THIS POINT JUST WITH THE VARIANCE IN VACCINATION RATE AND HOW DILIGENT PEOPLE ARE WHEN WEARING MASKS BUT THERE IS A REAL FEEL OUT THERE.

I'VE HAD SOME COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE GOTTEN SICK AND NOT JUST A LITTLE SICK.

WEEKS LATER STILL DEALING WITH SOME OF THE AFTER EFFECTS.

ARE THEY HOSPITALIZED?

NO.

IS THERE SOMETHING SHORT OF HOSPITALIZATION THAT STARTS TO IMPACT YOUR DAILY LIFE?

YES.

THAT IS CONCERNING.

>> OUR OFF THE RECORD FINAL PARTING SHOTS.

GREEN KREBS FIRST.

>> ON THE LAST SHOW I MADE THE CASUAL COMMENT THAT CRIME IS DOWN WHICH MADE EVERYBODY'S EYEBROWS GO UP.

SINCE 1991 VIOLENT CRIME IS ACTUALLY OFF 31%.

BUT ONCE AGAIN MY PEOPLE OUT WHERE I LIVE ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT CRIME.

BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A RECENT UPTICK BUT ALSO THEY SEE IT HAPPENING IN THE BIG CITIES.

>> MORGAN HARPER?

>> WE HAVE AN ELECTION DAY COMING UP.

TALKING ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE DO HAVE A PRIMARY.

HARD TO BELIEVE.

COMING UP VERY SOON.

HOPE THAT EVERYONE TURNS OUT TO VOTE.

>> ON TUESDAY.

JULIE?

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, YEAH.

ON TUESDAY I ANTICIPATE AT LEAST SEVERAL MAYBE UP TO A HALF DOZEN REPUBLICANS, THOUGH THE HOUSE MIGHT BE PICKED OFF BY COMPETITORS TO THE RIGHT, MEDICAL FREEDOM TYPE COMPETITORS, PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET WITH DeWINE AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES IN THE FALL.

>> ANNA?

>> THE BUTTER COW IS BACK.

THAT WAS THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY WEEK.

THE OHIO STATE FAIR SPEAKING OF COVID AND CONCERNS HAS BEEN CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC THE LAST TWO YEARS AND IT IS OPEN AND JUST I'LL PITCH MY DAUGHTER SELLS GIRL SCOUT COOKIES AND THEY ARE SELLING COOKIES FROM 11:00 TO 3:00 EVERY DAY WHILE THE FAIR IS OPEN.

>> FIRST WE GOT CLARIFICATION ON LAST WEEK'S DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FAIR.

IF YOU BRING A GUN TO THE STATE FAIR YOU CANNOT CARRY IT ON THE RIDE.

SORRY.

GUN TOTING TILT-A-WHIRL FANS.

SORRY.

AND COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD AND OUR CREW AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR RETIRING TV CONTENT DIRECTOR BRENT DAVIS.

HE HELPED ME LAUNCH THIS SHOW 17 YEARS AGO.

WE USED HIS OLD REPORTERS NOTEBOOK FOR OUR FIRST LOGO.

CONGRATULATIONS TO BRENT ON A TERRIFIC CAREER AND FOR YOUR WONDERFUL SERVICE TO WOSU AND TO COLUMBUS AND ALL THE BEST TO HIM AND HIS FAMILY.

THAT IS "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" FOR THIS WEEK.

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TO OUR CREW AND PANEL I'M MIKE THOMPSON.

HAVE A GOOD WEEK.