For more insight into these political developments, we brought our back, our big guys, because they were just here on Friday, but we could not not have them on to talk about the developments now.

Bob Babbage, Trey Grayson.

Woo!

Yeah, What a weekend, right?

What a Sunday.

And we've already heard a lot about and we've talked a lot about what's happened.

But the big question is, how does each party now realign?

I mean, what does that look like?

I'll start with you, Bob.

I mean, there's a lot that the Democrats have to get together.

Isn't the DNC working on rules right now?

I mean, there's a lot of things parliamentary that perhaps they're sorting through, but the alignment that takes place from here on out.

What does that look like?

Turmoil.

Any chaos in politics is not a good thing.

You're dealing with different scenarios of damage and destruction and how to manage it.

It just is not a strategy.

But that's the circumstance.

So to move quickly and talk to key leaders to have this influx of a tremendous amount of money, still, I think Trump has a wonderful financial advantage going into the next few weeks.

All these different parts have to be addressed at once, and that's a heck of a challenge.

Nobody's ever been in this situation.

We'll see how it goes.

I mean, the early hack were 24 hours in as we tape here or so.

Yeah, a lot has been accomplished for Harris.

She has a lot of work to do before that convention and all the way.

I mean, 100 and a few days out from the election.

Right.

And she's you know, we've heard she's consolidating.

Right.

So she's getting the party together and behind her.

And 24 to 48 hours are really crucial for her.

Is that a realistic expectation that she's got to have this tied up and even maybe announce a VP pick?

I don't know how quickly she can announce a VP pick.

She absolutely has somebody picked out and they've said yes, and they could do it before the week is out.

She might want to take the time to interview a few people simply to get the connection to North Carolina or Kentucky or to other groups around the country who like those leaders, Pennsylvania, let's say.

But she's got to decide what comes first and what comes next.

Yeah, quickly.

She got key leaders quickly.

She got an influx of.

It looks like a couple hundred million dollars.

That's a lot.

Still, she has a lot of ground to make up because donors went silent the last two or three weeks and big donors said, I'm going to wait and see.

Can't you use the next few days to really solidify her position so there's not an influx of other voices like a Manchin or.

Who I think who said today that he's not going to run for anything.

Right.

So we'll see if that sticks.

Yeah, he's 76.

He's probably missed the turn, but his stock is very high.

And if he comes around for her, that sends a message to other Democrats who are quite in the social Democrat category.

Right.

So for the Republicans, what does it look like?

I mean, they were prepared to run against a Joe Biden.

Are they prepared to run against a Kamala Harris?

Well, I'm sure that somewhere there was a little break glass in case of the campaign plan.

But Tim, Alberta had a great deep dive in the Atlantic a couple of days ago where he got incredible access from Susie Wiles and Chris.

Leslie are the the brain trust of the campaign.

And they were very focused on Joe Biden.

And so this in the same way that Democrats have to figure out a vice president to figure out what's your message?

She's got to hire a campaign manager.

You know, I know probably a lot of I would imagine a lot of the campaign organization will go over.

But does she have the same level of trust?

So there's a whole lot of things that the Democrats have to worry about.

But now the Republicans, you know, have to focus and change.

And one of the things I wonder we talked on Friday about the vice presidential pick of of events.

Would you still pick Vance if you knew you were running against Harris and maybe somebody else?

I mean, to me, in thinking about this now, does this Nikki Haley seem like a better selection?

Maybe let bygones be bygones?

I don't know.

But it's just.

Can't change course now.

Can't change course now.

And I think they probably thought at the end of the day, like, you know, there's not a zero chance.

I remember, you know, like if I'm a dumb.

Are you saying there's a chance a little bit more than going into the weekend, going into the convention?

That being said, Trump still ahead in the polls by a little bit.

Harris was a terrible candidate in 2020.

I mean, she didn't even get to the first caucus.

So this is the risk that the Democrats have by bringing in the backup quarterback, so to speak, sometimes the backup quarterbacks.

Great.

Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl for the New York Giants as the backup quarterback.

Usually the backup quarterback reminds you why they're the backup quarterback, right?

Well, so was there some wisdom in Joe Biden making that decision at 145 on a Sunday afternoon?

And hitting send at 146, saying that he was not going to seek reelection?

I mean, was it times right after the RNC?

I mean, you know.

I think it was the right it was probably the right time to put all those issues that Bob was talking about, to be able to navigate that.

Because the other thing we've got is we've got the Olympics coming up.

So there's going to be a couple of weeks where that's where America is going to be focused and they've got time to get it organized.

You've got time to plan for a convention.

You don't have the challenges of rules and ballot access, things like that.

So it was a really good time.

Congress is coming back today.

There would have been more pressure on him.

The reporting seems to indicate on Saturday night he kind of made his mind up and then worked through the morning on Sunday on the statement.

So it was the right time, although the reality is the right time would have been a year ago, maybe a year and a half ago.

I think in hindsight, you know, if you're a Democratic activist, you would much rather not be scrambling today than if he had done it.

What about the ballot access questions?

Right.

I mean.

It's not an issue.

I think, you know, we always use the term presumptive nominee.

And a lot of times we dropped the word presumptive because it seems like a mouthful.

But there is no Democratic Party nominee because they haven't had their convention.

So nobody's on the ballot.

And it won't.

And once that convention takes place, then you will have a Democratic nominee.

All the state ballot access laws are designed to say, who is the party, what are the rules?

And as long as they get it in on time, then you're on the ballot.

So there's it's not a replacement of a nominee because there wasn't a nominee.

Yeah.

So the scuttlebutt about possible Republican legal lawsuits for.

Somebody can.

Could still happen.

It could still happen.

The challenge, though, becomes to me, if I look at that, it's such a frivolous claim.

You run into the risk that some attorneys found out that could have happened up to the 2020 with some of those frivolous claims.

They got some sanctions.

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

And so, you know, there may be an attorney who might want to do it, but it's it's pretty clear on ballot access.

Yeah.

So let's talk about Andy Beshear in 2 minutes, because he was on Morning Joe, MSNBC was asked, is he interested in being a VP pick?

You know, and he gave some of the same answers.

He's been giving Bob Babbage.

I mean, what what does it look like for an Andy Beshear right now along with North Carolina and Pennsylvania governor?

Well, I think the three of us would have to conclude his stock is up and he's getting a lot of conversation.

People taking a look at Andy Beshear, who probably never would have if we hadn't come to this circumstance, they would have.

Later on, he was looking at four years, maybe building toward a much stronger national reputation, approaching 27 and 28.

Now it's happening immediately just because circumstances are driving it.

We're getting the questions people are asking about him and looking at the record and looking at the video.

And he comes across very well just as last week sitting and talking to corporate leaders and national figures in Asia who have had the big impact on the Kentucky economy.

As you boy, it's a very vice presidential thing to do.

Yeah.

Anything else you want out of that?

Yeah.

I mean, he you know, he's clearly a candidate.

This is a no brainer for him to try to seize the opportunity.

I don't really see much downside for him.

It's a slow time of year.

He wasn't going to go to a fancy farm anyway, Right?

So, yeah, I think it makes sense for him to give it a shot.

And I think he does have a shot.

I don't I don't know that he's the top of her list, but right now.

What does he bring to Kamala Harris?

Well, he's he's won two terms in a red state.

He's calm.

He's younger.

He's not quite as progressive as she is liberal on some of those issues.

So that that helps.

Maybe he's a little dry, a little boring.

You know, I wonder if he can do the attack dog thing, although he was you know, he had you can ask Daniel Cameron of Matt Bevin.

I mean, he has some barbs to them, but his demeanor is maybe not the kind of stereotype you'd have for a vice presidential nominee.

But, you know, he's clearly he's on the list for a reason.

Yeah, She needs the mainstream Democrat Party building away from the traditional party as it stands right now.

He could provide that.

Biden and Harris have been running behind with young people, Latinos, African-Americans, particularly black men.

Those are the categories.

If you can't get that math back, then it doesn't matter what you do on a whole lot of other fronts.

There are only so many ways to win and lose, And losing of those categories is devastating right now.

And to get them back in some way, not completely, but a bunch would be significant for her and for the race.

It's going to be a heck of a race.

I mean, a lot of people feel Trump blew it last time, had it in the bag, could have won.

I'm sure he feels that way, and more so, we're going to see a confluence of energy, emotion, these two movements, sorting it out, figuring it out, figuring out the future.

Vance with Kentucky Roots and Young, the be sure type person, but a judge.

Others who are being talked about who are a new generation and they look to be taking over in 28 if they can.

Yeah, well, thank you guys for always sorting it out for us.

We appreciate it.

Good to see you.

See you.

Thanks.