>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON:" MIDDLESEX DISTRICT ATTORNEY MARIAN RYAN JOINS ME ON THE SO-CALLED RISE OF THE MOORS, THE ARMED PARAMILITARY GROUP IN THE STANDOFF POLICE IN WAKEFIELD OVER THE WEEKEND, AND WENT BEFORE A JUDGE TODAY.

THEN LATER, McLEAN HOSPITAL'S DR. IPSIT VAHIA, AND THE CHEF-OWNER OF MIDA, DOUGLASS WILLIAMS, ON THE MENTAL HEALTH STRUGGLES FACING RESTAURANT WORKERS.

AND FINALLY, TIM SHRIVER ON HIS MOTHER EUNICE KENNEDY SHRIVER'S LEGACY, AHEAD OF A CELEBRATION FOR WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN HER 100th BIRTHDAY.

♪ ♪ ♪ >> Braude: TEN MEN BEHIND AN ARMED STANDOFF WITH POLICE ON I-95 IN WAKEFIELD WERE ARRAIGNED IN A MALDEN COURT TODAY.

SOME OF THE MEN TOLD A JUDGE THEY'RE FOREIGN NATIONALS AND BELONG TO THE RISE OF THE MOORS, A RHODE ISLAND-BASED PARA-MILITARY GROUP WHICH CLAIMS TO ABIDE BY A FICTITIOUS 1700s TREATY BETWEEN THE U.S. AND MOROCCO.

THE CONFLICT STARTED WHEN A STATE TROOPER STOPPED TO CHECK ON TWO CARS PULLED OVER ON 95-NORTH SATURDAY AFTERNOON, AND SAW THE GROUP WEARING MILITARY-STYLE CLOTHES AND CARRYING LONG GUNS AND PISTOLS.

MEMBERS OF THE GROUP SAID THEY WERE HEADED UP TO MAINE FOR "TRAINING," AND HAD STOPPED TO REFUEL.

THE STAND-OFF SHUT DOWN PARTS OF I-95 FOR HOURS, UNTIL THE GROUP SURRENDERED TO POLICE SUNDAY MORNING.

BEFORE THEY DID, THEY WENT LIVE ON YOUTUBE: >> WE'RE NOT ANTI-GOVERNMENT, WE'RE NOT ANTI-POLICE, WE'RE NOT SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, WE'RE NOT BLACK IDENTITY EXTREMISTS.

>> Braude: DESPITE THOSE CLAIMS, LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERTS SAY THE RISE OF THE MOORS IS ONE OF SEVERAL IN THE U.S. THAT ADHERE A SO-CALLED MOORISH SOVEREIGN CITIZENS IDEOLOGY, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER, IS THE BELIEF THAT THEY, AND OTHER BLACK AMERICANS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO U.S. LAWS, OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY.

ALL TEN MEN, AND A 17-YEAR-OLD, ARE NOW FACING VARIOUS CHARGES, INCLUDING UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM, AND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT A CRIME.

I'M JOINED NOW BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN CHARGE OF THEIR PROSECUTION, MIDDLESEX COUNTY'S MARIAN RYAN.

DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

DID YOU EVER HEAR OF THIS GROUP BEFORE THIS WEEKEND?

>> I HAD HEARD OF THEM, YES.

I HAD NOD HEARD OF THEM BEING IN MASSACHUSETTS BEFORE THIS WEEKEND.

>> Braude: AND OTHER THAN THE SOUTHERN IMPORTANT LAW CENTER SAYING WHAT I SAID IN THE INTRODUCTION AND THE FACT THAT THEY -- THIS AGAIN ABOUT SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER, THEY ARE A ANTIHATE GROUP WHATEVER THAT DISTINCTION MEANS DO YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM NOW THAN I DO FOR EXAMPLE?

>> PROBABLY.

WE'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THEM IN THE LAST 48 HOURS YES.

JKD.

>> Braude: LIKE WHAT?

>> WELL WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN SEEN.

THE NUMBERS THAT THEY CLAIM TO HAVE FOR MEMBERSHIP, SOME OF THE BELIEFS THAT THEY HAVE.

AND PARTICULARLY, SOME OF THEIR BELIEFS AROUND THIS SAFE JOURNEY.

>> Braude: LIKE WHAT.

WHAT ARE THEIR BELIEFS AROUND THE SAFE JOURNEY AS YOU CALL IT?

>> THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE ABLE TO TRAVEL FREELY CARRYING WEAPONS, IS A PIECE OF WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

>> Braude: DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE TRAINING FOR IN MAINE, THAT WAS THEIR GOAL?

WHAT ARE THEY TRAINING FOR?

>> WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT YET.

>> Braude: SO LET'S GO BACK TO -- FIRST OF ALL MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WERE SOME DISRUPTIONS AT THE ARRAIGNMENT PROCESS, BUT I SAID AT THE TOP THEY WERE ALL ARRAIGNED.

DID YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE TEN ADULTS, WAS THAT ULTIMATELY LEARNED?

>> NO, WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE JOHN DOES.

>> Braude: AND THE GUN CHARGES, WHAT LAWS DID DHE VIOLATE?

>> THEY ARE EACH CHARGED WITH EIGHT COUNTS OF POSSESSION OF A FIREARM.

THEY ARE CHARGED WITH POSSESSION OF AMMUNITION, THEY ARE CHARGED WITH THE USE OF BODY ARMOR.

WHILE COMMITTING ANOTHER CRIME.

THEY ARE CHARGED WITH POSSESSION OF HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES, WITH IMPROPER STORAGE OF A FIREARM IN A VEHICLE WHILE IN THE PRESENCE OF A JUVENILE.

AND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT A CRIME.

>> Braude: THEY WERE, I GUESS IT'S A EUPHEMISM TO SAY THEY WERE HEAVILY ARMED.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING WITH SOME PRETTY SERIOUS WEAPONS.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Braude: AND IS IT ILLEGAL TO CARRY -- WELL, HOW CAN YOU LEGALLY CAREY WEAPONS -- CARRY WEAPONS ACROSS SEDATE LINES LEGALLY?

>> YOU HAVE TO LEGALLY POSSESS THE GUNS IN THE PLACE YOU ARE LEAVING.

YOU HAVE TO BE EQUIPPED TO POSSESS IF GUN IN THE PLACE YOU ARE GOING AND YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL WITH THE GUN UNLOADED IN A LOCKED CONTAINER.

SO IT CAN'T BE ACCESSIBLE IN THE PASSENGER PART OF THE VEHICLE.

>> Braude: I COULD SAY WE HAVE MORE THAN BEEN CRITICAL FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE STATE POLICE FOR THIS OVERTIME THING AND LOSING FILES.

I HAVE TO SAY AS A LAYPERSON THOUGH, THE FACT THAT THIS THING ENDED PEACEFULLY LIKE IT DID IS REALLY A TRIBUTE THE AT LEAST IT SEEMS TO ME TO A MEASURED SPONGES TO A POTENTIALLY INCENDIARY SITUATION BY THE STATE COPS.

NO?

>> JIM, THERE'S REALLY, WE WERE AT THE PRECIPICE OF TRAGEDY HERE.

IF PEOPLE REMEMBER ON SATURDAY NIGHT IT WAS POURING RAIN.

>> Braude: YEAH.

>> SLIGHTLY AFTER 1:00 IN THE MORNING.

THE TROOPER WHO INITIALLY RESPONDED HAS ONLY BEEN ON THE FORCE A COUPLE OF YEARS.

HE DID WHAT HE IS TRIEND DO.

HE PULLED UP BEHIND WHAT APPEARED TO BE THE DISABLED VEHICLES, AND HE WALKED UP THE PASSENGER SIDE TO KEEP HIMSELF SAFE, IN BY THE GRARD RAIL.

AS I HE WAS MAKING THAT WALK AND HE HAS A BODY CAMERA SO WE CAN SEE THIS, THERE ARE SUDDENLY THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO APPEAR IN CAMOUFLAGE CLOTHING AS WE'VE SEEN MASKS, BODY ARMOR, TWO OF THEM CARRYING LONG GUNS.

THE FACT THAT HE RESPONDED IN A VERY, VERY MEASURED WAY THAT HE DID IS A GREAT TESTAMENT.

AND THE OFFICERS WHO RESPONDED AFTERWARDS CONTINUED TO REALLY RESPOND IN A RESPECTFUL AND MEASURED WAY.

IT GOES TO THE IMPORTANCE OF DEESCALATION TRAINING.

JUST LAST WEEK WE WERE TRAINING OFFICERS ON DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES.

THIS REALLY SHOULD BECOME A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF HOW TO HANDLE A VERY DANGEROUS AND A VERY STRESSFUL SITUATION.

>> Braude: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY DOARNG ME AND I ASSUME TO YOU NOT JUST AS A IRCHT.

>> Dan: IRNLGTD DR BUTDISTRICT ATTORNEY BUT AS A DEAFEN OF THE COMMONWEALTH, HAD THEY NOT STOPPED ON THE CORNER OF THE ROAD SOONGD THIS TROOPER BEING OF ASSISTANCE OF THEM, THEY WOULD HAVE CROSSED ACROSS MASSACHUSETTS AS HEAVILY ARMED AS THEY WERE, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THEM.

WOULD IT BE SOMETHING TO ASSUME THEY HAVE DONE THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND THIS ONE TIME ENCOUNTERED LAW ENFORCEMENT?

>> WE ARE OBVIOUSLY AT THE EARLY PART OF THE INVESTIGATION BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

AS WAS IN THE COURT TODAY, THIS WAS IN THE PLANNING FOR A WHILE.

THERE IS REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT THERE WAS OTHER TRAVEL IN THIS SITUATION, AND THAT'S A CONCERN.

JSHED THEY'RE NOT THIS, THEY'RE NOT ANTILAW ENFORCEMENT, NOT VIOLENT.

IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT YOU HAVE THAT THERE WAS POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE THERE?

ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE A RIDICULOUS QUESTION, CONSIDERING HOW HEAVILY ARMED THEY WERE BUT WAS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEIR INTENT WAS TO BE VIOLENT AT ANY STAGE OF THIS ENCOUNTER?

>> WE'RE VERY EARLY IN THIS INVESTIGATION.

BUT OBVIOUSLY AS YOU SAY, THEY WERE HEAVILY ARMED, THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN THAT VAN.

THERE WERE NIGHT GOGGLES, THERE WERE HELMETS, ALL KINDS OF EQUIPMENT.

IT IS CERTAINLY REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT THAT POSES A DANGER.

>> Braude: SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO RESIDENTS OF MASSACHUSETTS, RHODE ISLAND, MAINE, NEW HAMPSHIRE, IN BETWEEN, WHO WERE WORRIED THAT THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THIS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, CROSSING BY THEIR RESIDENCES, NOT IN SOME FAR-AWAY PLACE IN THE SOUTH, OR THE MIDWEST, BUT RIGHT IN OUR MIDST, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?

>> WELL I THINK THIS EXAMPLE ON SATURDAY MORNING IS REALLY -- HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT THESE THINGS CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT THEM.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WE INVEST THE MONEY IN HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT IS TRAINED, TO RESPOND TO THAT, THAT TROOPER CLEARLY NEVER EXPECTED TO SEE THIS.

THAT THEY'RE TRAINED IN THOSE DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES AND THAT WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT COMMUNICATE WELL WITH EACH OTHER SO WE KNOW AS WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT IN THIS INVESTIGATION, THE KIND OF COOPERATION THAT IS BEEN GOING ON BETWEEN MASSACHUSETTS, RHODE ISLAND AND MAINE AROUND THIS INCIDENT.

>> Braude: LAST QUESTION MARION RYAN, DID THESE GUYS HAVE RECORDS?

>> SOME OF THEM WERE KNOWN BY THE POLICE, YES.

>> Braude: THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

PLEASE KEEP US APPRISED OF WHAT'S GOING ON THANK YOU.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Braude: THE PANDEMIC HAS TAKEN A TOLL ON THE MENTAL HEALTH OF VIRTUALLY EVERYONE ITS TOUCHED.

BUT FOR MANY IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY, WHOSE WORKERS WERE ALREADY IN HIGH-STRESS JOBS BEFORE COVID-19 CLOSURES, THE STRAINS OF THE LAST YEAR-PLUS HAVE MADE A DIFFICULT PROBLEM EVEN WORSE.

THAT'S WHY, TOMORROW, McLEAN HOSPITAL IS TEAMING UP WITH THE GROUP, RISE HOSPITALITY, AND A FEW OTHER INDUSTRY LEADERS FOR A VIRTUAL DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON HOW WORKERS CAN RECOGNIZE MENTAL HEALTH CRISES, AND HELP THEMSELVES AND OTHERS THROUGH THEM.

I'M JOINED BY TWO OF TOMORROW'S SPEAKERS: DR. IPSIT VAHIA, A MENTAL HEALTH EXPERT AND THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF THE McLEAN INSTITUTE FOR TECHNOLOGY IN PSYCHIATRY; AND DOUGLASS WILLIAMS, THE AWARD-WINNING CHEF-OWNER OF MIDA, IN BOSTON AND NOW NEWTON, AS WELL.

DOUGLASS IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS.

GENTLEMEN THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> PLEASURE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> Braude: START WITH YOU DOUGLASS, HIGH STRESS, DEPRESSION, ADDICTION, SEXUAL HARASSMENT, THAT'S NOT NEW TO THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY.

SO IS THE CONCERN THAT'S THE FOCUS OF TOMORROW WITH THE LABOR SHORTAGE AND OBVIOUSLY COMING OFF 15 MONTHS OF THIS HORROR, THAT ALL OF THAT BECOMES POTENTIALLY EXACERBATED, IS THAT WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT?

>> FIRST OFF I'LL SAY THAT IT EXISTS IN EVERY INDUSTRY BUT IN THIS SORT OF ENVIRONMENT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE INCREASED AND BECAUSE THE SYSTEMS ARE NOT AS QUICK AS MAYBE WHITE COLLAR INDUSTRIES, THINGS CAN LAG AND THINGS GET YOU KNOW LOST AND FORGOTTEN SOMETIMES.

AND THAT'S A SHAME.

BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS LOT OF ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY IN THIS INDUSTRY.

SO I THINK WE WANT TO WITH THIS WEBINAR AND THIS BUSINESS, WE WANT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BRINGING THOSE THINGS TO LIGHT AND GIVING THEM SOME TAINGS.

BUT I DO THINK -- ATTENTION.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE INCREASING AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE STEPPING IN TO HELP OUT.

JGD DOUGLASS IS IT THE NATURE OF SOME OF THE WHO IS, THE EMPLOYERS THAT IS A PROBLEM?

>> BOTH.

EVERY INDUSTRY HAS THEIR FIREFIGHTER HAS CERTAIN, HAS YOU KNOW PARTICULAR DANGERS.

AND THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, BEING IN OBVIOUSLY ASIDE FROM THE FIRE AND THE SHAR -- SHARP THINGS AND EVERYTHING METAL AND SLIPPERY FLOORS, ALL THESE THINGS THERE'S DANGERS.

BUT AS FAR AS MENTAL HEALTH AND WHAT THAT DOES TO YOU BEING IN A HIGH STRESS ENVIRONMENT, BEING IN THIS INDUSTRY THAT'S ALREADY A DIFFICULT INDUSTRY, BUT THEN YOU ADD OTHER NATURAL ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD AND OF SOCIETY TO THAT AND THEN IT REALLY STARTS TO COMPOUND.

AND THAT'S IF YOU ARE HEALTHY NORMAL, NOT NORMAL PERSON BUT SOMEONE WHO HAS THEIR MAYBE STRESS UNDER CONTROL.

BUT THEN YOU TAKE SOMEONE WHO MAYBE HAS AN INSTANCE IN THEIR LIFE THAT HAS CHANGED THEM AND AFFECTED THEM.

YOU PUT THEM IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AND CAN YOU HAVE SOME PERSONAL ISSUES THAT GO OUT OF CONTROL.

>> DR. VAHIA, IT IS SORT OF THE INFAMOUS STORY IF YOU'RE IN THE MILITARY IF THE INJURY IS NOT VISIBLE IT DOESN'T EXIST.

IS THERE A COMPARABLE SORT OF DENIAL IN THIS INDUSTRY?

>> I THINK SO.

I THINK IN GENERAL, MENTAL HEALTH IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE LOATH TO TALK ABOUT, UNLESS EITHER THEY'RE REALLY SUFFERING, OR THEY'RE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE FACILITATED.

I THINK ONE OF OUR HOPES WITH THE SESSION TOMORROW IS TO SORT OF MAKE THE POINT THAT STEP 1 IS TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT'S OKAY TO EVEN BRING THESE THINGS UP.

I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A CULTURE IN MANY INDUSTRIES WHERE YOU'RE EXPECTED TO BE TOUGH AND BEAR IT.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT THAT WAS NOT A POSITIVE AY TO DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH TO BEGIN WITH.

I THINK THE PANDEMIC HAS JUST EXACERBATED ALL OF THIS.

I THINK THE COMBINED STRESS OF PERSONAL RISK FROM THE PANDEMIC AND DISRUPTIONS IN ONE'S PERSONALITY LIVES, HAVE BEEN BASE ED ON THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY, RAVAGED BY THE INCIDENTS OF THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

AND ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY TO 52 WITH THAT.

THERE'S A COMPLICATED MIX OF FACTORS AND WE KNOW THAT MENTAL -- RATES OF MENTAL ILLNESS ARE HIGHER ACROSS THE BOARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND STRAIGHTEN INDUSTRY -- RESTAURANT INDUSTRY HAS A UNIQUE CONFLUENCE OF FACTORS THAT MAKE RESTAURANT WORKERS AT RISK.

WE KNOW THAT YOUNGER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING MORE THAN OLDER ADULTS AND RESTAURANT DOES CUE YUCKER.

BUT DIALOGUE BRINGS THESE THINGS UP.

>> Braude: BUT DIALOGUE WITH HIGH SCHOOL, SOMEONE 100 YEARS AGO WORKED IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY LIKE ME, AND SOMEONE NOW, THERE IS NO FASTER MOVING WORLDS THAN THE WORLD OF THE RESTAURANT.

WHEN YOU SAID A SECOND AGO DOCTOR THAT THE WORKER HAS TO KNOW THEY CAN BRING THIS UP?

WHO DO THEY BRING IT UP WITH, PARTICULARLY IF THE EMPLOYER IS THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM?

>> I THINK THAT THERE ISN'T A ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH.

I THINK AS DOUGLASS SAID, EVERY -- YOU KNOW THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY IS NOT AMONOLITH AND EVERY RESTAURANT MAY BE DIFFERENT.

IT COULD VARY.

IT COULD BE A PEER.

IT COULD BE A COLLEAGUE.

IT COULD BE A SUPERVISOR OR A MANAGER BUT IT COULD ALSO BE SOMEONE IN THE STLIERMT THEY CAN TRUST.

-- VIEVMENT THAT THEY ENVIRONMENT THREE CAN TRUST AND EITHER GET SUPPORT WHERE THEY WORK.

BUT IT CAN BE SOMEONE IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES.

IF THE SITUATION IS SERIOUS ENOUGH THEY NEED TO KNOW WHEN AND HOW TO ACCESS FORMAL CARE.

>> Braude: DOUGLASS, HAS THIS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR YOU TOO?

WE FOCUS ON RESTAURANT WORKERS BUT HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN RESTAURANTS IN THIS INDUSTRY, PARTICULARLY COMING OUT OF THIS CRISIS OF THE LAST 15 MONTHS?

ARE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES COMMON AMONG YOU AND YOUR PEERS AS WELL?

>> I BELIEVE SO AND I KNOW SO.

I DON'T LIKE TO SAY I KNOW SO IN ABSOLUTION BUT OBVIOUSLY ANY NORMAL PERSON WHICH I GUESS I AM BUT I KNOW WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN THINGS THAT KIND OF SETTLE OUT, WHETHER IT BE CHILDHOOD OR ADD POLICENCE OR EVEN ADULTHOOD, THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO US.

WE CARRY THOSE THINGS THROUGH OUR COOKING YEARS AND I SHOULD SAY OUR TRAINING YEARS WHICH FOR ME TRAINING YEARS, WHICH SORT OF ENDED OUR TRAINING NOW FIGURING OUT THIS BUSINESS PART, I THINK YOU CAN'T HELP BUT BRING THOSE THINGS WITH YOU INTO A MORE MATURE ADULTHOOD THAT YOU STILL HAVE TO SETTLE.

BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY HAVEN'T HAD TIME THE 20 YEARS TO FIX THEM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SO FOCUSED ON YOUR CRAFT AND GETTING TO A POINT YOU CAN SUSTAIN YOURSELF.

FOR ME I HAVE NO NET TO FALL INTO WHERE I CAN GO BACK ON A CERTAIN DEGREE AND FIGURE IT OUT, THIS IS THE LAST FRONTIER FOR ME AND I HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

THAT GIVES ME A FOCUS, WHEN I HAVE A GOAL TO FOCUS ON ESPECIALLY WITH MENTAL HEALTH, ESPECIALLY WE ARE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF THINGS AT ONE TIME, AND A SINGULAR GOAL HAS BEEN MY SAVING GRACE COMING FROM HAVING CROHNS DISEASE AROUND AS A YOUNG ADULT.

>> SHORTLY BEFORE HE DIED ANTHONY BORDAIN WAS ON THIS SHOW AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ACTUAL SUBJECT, I ASKED HIM IF HE LOOKED BACK IN TERMS OF WHAT HE REGRETTED, THAT HE KNEW BETTER, DO YOU SHARE THOSE KINDS OF CONCERNS LOOKING BACK ON YOUR CAREER OR DO YOU THINK YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH GOTTEN IT RIGHT?

>> NO, GOODNESS YES.

THERE ARE ALL FORMS OF WAYS I COULD HAVE GUIDED OR STEPPED IN BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, HINDSIGHT IS LIKE YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY STRONG RIGHT NOW.

EVERYONE HAS THIS VERY STRONG FORMING OF YOU KNOW WHAT I COULDPTUQ DONE WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE WHAT I WOULD HAVE -- >> Braude: FCC.

>> ESPECIALLY THIS PAST YEAR.

EVERYBODY IS IN THE SAME BOAT THIS PAST YEAR AND NO ONE WAS SPOORTER THAN OTHERS, AS IF EVERYBODY WAS STRIPPED AWAY, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE ON THE SCALE, IN WHICH YOUR LIFE HOLDS OR HAS SIGNIFICANCE RIGHT NOW, YOU STILL FEEL IT.

AND THAT'S WHY THE PANDEMIC WAS SO VISCERAL AND SHARP AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT AFFECTS EVERYONE ON EVERY -- IN EVERY FORM OF LIFE RIGHT NOW ESPECIALLY IN THIS FORM OF CULTURE.

IT PUTS US ALL IN THE SAME PLAYING FIELD WHICH IS A VERY VULNERABLE BUT ALSO OPPORTUNISTIC PLACE TO BE.

IT'S VERY, VERY RATTLING.

>> Braude: DOCTOR, LAST THING I HAVE TIME FOR IS YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE'S SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS INDUSTRY, LOT OF TURNOVER AND THAT SORT OF THING.

IT AMAZES ME THAT THE STIG STIGMA THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DECADES AGO, CONTINUES WITH SOME PEEJ THAT ARE OPEN IN MY EXPERIENCE ABOUT ISSUES LIKE MENTAL HEALTH AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO IS THE STIGMA LESSENING IN 20, WHATEVER THIS YEAR IS, 2021, OR ARE WE SUFFERING WITH ITS GIST LIKE WE HAVE FOREVER?

>> I BELIEVE IT IS LESSENING.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE OUT THERE AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DOMAINS.

WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

I ALSO THINK THOUGH THAT PART OF THE STIGMA WAS JUST A RELATABILITY OF MENTAL ILLNESS.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MENTAL HEALTH AND MENTAL ILLNESS.

MENTAL ILLNESS MAY NOT BE RELATABLE, BUT IF WE'VE LEARNED ANYTHING IN THE PAST YEAR, I WOULD ASK THIS, EVERYONE LISTENING IN CAN RELATE TO BEING TIRED EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP AND DON'T KNOW WHY.

EVEN FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS, IT IS EASIER TO RELATE TO THE IDEA OF MENTAL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING.

I THINK THERE'S OPENNESS TO TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING IF NOT QUITE MENTAL HEALTH JUST YET.

I THINK IT'S A PROCESS.

WE'RE COMING FURTHER ALONG AND FURTHER ALONG THAN WE'VE EVER BEEN.

>> Braude: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

GOOD LUCK TOMORROW.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: TO HEAR MORE YOU TO HEAR MORE FROM DR. VAHIA AND DOUGLASS WILLIAMS, YOU CAN ATTEND THEIR VIRTUAL EVENT, WHICH TAKES PLACE TOMORROW AT 1:00 P.M. FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT THE ADDRESS ON YOUR SCREEN.

NEXT UP, WHILE WE TEND TO FOCUS ON HER FAMOUS BROTHERS, J.F.K., BOBBY, AND TED, EUNICE KENNEDY SHRIVER WAS A FORCE IN HER OWN RIGHT: SPEARHEADING A MOVEMENT FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES, AND, ULTIMATELY, FOUNDING BOTH THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS AND THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF CHILD HEALTH AND HUMAN DEVELOPMENT, A BRANCH OF THE N.I.H.

THAT NOW BEARS HER NAME.

THIS SATURDAY, ON WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HER 100th BIRTHDAY, SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS OF MASSACHUSETTS AND THE EUNICE KENNEDY SHRIVER CENTER AT U-MASS MEDICAL SCHOOL, WILL BE CELEBRATING THAT LEGACY, WITH THE HELP OF HER SON AND LONGTIME SPECIAL OLYMPICS CHAIRMAN, TIMOTHY SHRIVER, WHO JOINS ME NOW.

TIM IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FORKING ALLOWING ME TO JOIN IN THE CELEBRATION OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN.

>> Braude: TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE MAY NOT KNOW?

>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IS THAT FROM A VERY EARLY AGE REALLY FROM BIRTH, MY MOM HAD A SISTER WITH INDULGE IS INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT AN IMPORTANT ROLE ROSEMARY PLAYED, A PERSON WHO COULDN'T FIT IN, DIDN'T KEEP UP IN SCHOOL, DIDN'T MAKE SPEECHES DIDN'T WRITE BOOKS BUT INSPIRED MY MOTHER AND HER BROTHERS TO SEE HUMAN RIGHTS AND SEE THE INCLUSION OF THOSE WHO WERE VULNERABLE AS A CENTRAL CONVICTION OF THEIR LIVES.

MY MOM SPENT THE BETTER PART OF 70 YEARS IN A HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGN ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE WHO I THINK OF AS ALMOST THE MOST FORGOTTEN AND MOST DEPRESSED MINORITY ON THE PLANET.

PEOPLE LIKE ROSEMARY WHO HAVE AN INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY.

SHE INSPIRED SCIENTISTS TO DO MORE RESEARCH, SHE INSPIRED MEDICAL DOCTORS TO PROVIDE CARE TO MOTHERS AND CHILDREN, SHE INSPIRED SCHOLARS TO RESEARCH THE SUPPORTS AND EDUCATIONAL STRATEGIES THAT WE WOULD NEED AS A COUNTRY.

AND SHE INSPIRED OF COURSE THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS WHICH WE ALL KNOW BUT I HOPE WE UNDERSTAND TO BE SUCH A POWERFUL SHIFT IN OUR FACIAL CONSCIOUSNESS.

BECAUSE IN THOSE ATHLETES, I THINK OUR WHOLE COUNTRY ALL OF A SUDDEN SAW NOT JUST PEOPLE WITH A LABEL BUT PEOPLE.

NOT JUST ATHLETES BUT PEOPLE OF DIGNITY AND COURAGE AND BRAVERY AND NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO WERE COMPETING BUT PEOPLE WHO DESERVE, WHO ARE ENTITLED TO AN EDUCATION, TO HOUSING, TO EMPLOYMENT, TO A CHANCE.

SO IN SOME WAYS, HINDER EVERY LITTLE STEP IN THIS WHOLE CHAIN OF SHIFT AND CHANGE IN OUR CULTURE, TOWARDS THE INCLUSION OF PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES, I'M PROUD AND SO HONORED TO SAY MY MOM WAS THERE.

>> Braude: WELL YOU KNOW YOU LEFT OUT ONE INSPIRATION FROM WHAT I READ.

SHE ALSO INSPIRED PRESIDENT DOAND SIGN THE FIRST MAJOR PIECE OF LEGISLATION ON THESE ISSUES SHORTLY BEFORE HE DIED.

I READ COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, EILEEN McNAMARA WROTE A BIOGRAPHY OF YOUR MOTHER.

ONE LINE, SHE SAID, SHE OBVIOUSLY YOUR MOLTING, LEFT BEHIND THE KENNEDY FAMILY'S MOST PROFOUND LEGACY.

WHEN YOU HEAR THOSE WORDS, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO YOURSELF?

>> IT MAKES MY SKIN TINGLE, HONESTLY.

TO THINK A WOMAN WHO WAS TOLD SHE COULDN'T BE LIKE THE BOYS, THAT SHE COULDN'T BE IN POLITICS, SHE COULDN'T BE SUCCESSFUL, THAT SHE, IN SOME WAYS REL DONATE DIDDED TO A SECONDARY POSITION, USED THE POWER, THE VULNERABILITY, THE BRUTAL COURAGE SHE WAS ABLE TO MUSTER, TO FIGHT SYSTEM IN SO MANY WAYS, THAT ULTIMATELY I THINK WILL VINDICATE HER AS AN EQUAL TO HER BROTHERS AND AS A GREAT AMERICAN.

I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, SHE NEVER WANTED TO ECLIPSE HER BROTHERS.

SHE WANTED TO BE BETTER, SHE WANTED TO MAKE HER COUNTRY BETTER AND RIGHT NOW I THINK SHE'S A GREAT ROLE MODEL FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY BETTER.

ONE PERSON.

YES, SHE HAD MANY ADVANTAGES BUT SHE USED THOSE ADVANTAGES PRIMARILY TO FIGHT AGAINST EXCLUSION AND TO MAKE HER COUNTRY BETTER.

I HOPE EILEEN IS RIGHT, THAT 100 YEARS FROM NOW AMERICANS WILL LOOK BACK AT GREAT AMERICANS AND MY MOM, EUNICE KENNEDY SHRIVER AMONG THEM.

>> Braude: IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY PREDECESSOR WAS CAM SHRIVER IN YOUR BACKYARD IN THE EARLY '60s YOU WERE A LITTLE KID.

WHAT WAS IT LIKE SEEING ALL THIS DAY CAMP HAPPENING UNLIKE ANYTHING HAPPENING RIGHT IN YOUR OWN HOME?

>> WELL YOU KNOW I'M GRATEFUL THAT I WAS THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS OLD, I WAS A CAMPER.

BEFORE WE HAVE WHAT WE NOW CALL UNIFIED SPORTS THERE WERE CAMP SHRIVER.

AND PEOPLE WITHOUT DISABILITIES AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WE PLAYED KICK BALL TOGETHER, WE WENT ON PONY RIDES TOGETHER, WE DID OBSTACLE COURSES TOLLING.

AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED, AT A YOUNG AGE MY BACKYARD WAS TURNED INTO AN AMUSEMENT PARK.

BUT I REMEMBER THE BUSES COMING.

THEY CAME FROM THE INSTITUTIONS EVERY MORNING.

I REMEMBER THE FLAG BEING RAISED AND I REMEMBER WONDERING IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, WHERE WERE THESE KIDS COMING FROM, WHERE DID THEY GO WHETHER THEY WENT HOME?

I FOUND LATER THAT THEY WHICH ARE COMING FROM REALLY QUITE HORRIBLE PLACES, THAT THEIR SMILES WAS PROBABLY SMILES THAT ALMOST NO ONE HAD EVER SEEN OUTSIDE THOSE INSTITUTIONS.

THE CHANCE THEY HAD TO PLAY WAS MAYBE THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES, RUN AROUND IN A FIELD AND BE CHEERED AND TAUGHT SKILLS.

SO YOU KNOW, IT WAS A -- ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS IN WHICH YOU COULD SEE WHAT MY MOM BELIEVED YOU KNOW WHERE ALL THE WAX DOWNTOWN AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHEN MY UNCLE WAS PRESIDENT, SHE WAS IN THE SWIMMING POOL WITH CHILDREN WHO HAD BEEN FORGOTTEN BY EVERYONE, DEMANDING THAT THE WORLD RESPECT AND WELCOME THEM.

>> Braude: WE ONLY HAVE A MINUTE LEFT.

IF PEOPLE JOIN YOU AND JURY COLLEAGUES ON SATURDAY WHAT WILL THEY WITNESS, WHAT WILL THEY SEE?

>> I HOPE THEY WILL LEARN THE STORY OF ONE WOMAN'S VISION, POWER TO CHANGE, TAKE ANGER AND TURN IT INTO ACTION, THEY WILL LEARN THE STORY OF WHAT FAITH ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IN ACTION, THEY WILL LEARN THE STORY OF HOW A FAMILY CAN BE A COHERENT AND STRONG TOLD THAT MY MOM'S LOVE FOR HER SISTER INSPIRED HER LOVE AND HER DETERMINATION TO CHANGE THE WORLD AND THEY'LL LEARN THAT THEY CAN STILL GET INVOLVED.

THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS MOVEMENT NEEDS THEM NOW.

IT HAS DEVASTATED THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES INEX RAABLY.

INEXORABLY.

OUR CHALLENGE IS TO GET BACK IN THE PLAYING FIELDS AND WELCOME OUR COMMUNITY BACK INTO INCLUSION IN THE LIVE OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

>> Braude: YOU ARE YOUR MOM'SSON, TIM SHRIVER.

>> I'M SO PROUD OF HER.

>> Braude: TIM, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: A LEGACY OF INCLUSION, THE VIRTUAL EVENT COMMEMORATING EUNICE KENNEDY SHRIVER'S CENTENNIAL, TAKES PLACE THIS SATURDAY, JULY 10 AT 7:00 P.M. FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT THE ADDRESS ON YOUR SCREEN.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT COME BACK TOMORROW.

I'LL TALK TO FORMER STATE REP GEOFF DIEHL, WHO JUST ANNOUNCED HE'LL SEEK THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR.

PLUS, MICHAEL CURRY, THE HEAD OF HE JUST ANNOUNCED HE WILL SEEK THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR.

PLUS, MICHAEL CURRY, THE HEAD OF THE MASSACHUSETTS LEAGUE OF COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS JOINS ME ON A RECENT REPORT HE CO-AUTHORED WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE, WHICH PROVIDES A BLUEPRINT FOR HEALTH EQUITY IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

THAT AND MORE, TOMORROW AT 7:00.

THANKS FOR WATCHING, AND STAY SAFE.

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