'CILLE IS VIVACIOUS, LIVELY ALWAYS, ALWAYS FULL OF LIFE UH, NEVER AT A LOSS FOR WHAT TO DO IN A SITUATION WHAT TO I'D SAY THAT LUCILLE WAS A VERY ATTRACTIVE, CULTURED INTERESTED IN THE ARTS UH, INTERESTING TO TALK WITH AND BELIEVES IN A LOT OF THINGS AND TELLS YOU ABOUT IT OF COURSE SHE AND MR. LITTLE HAD NO CHILDREN BUT THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN THAT SHE HAD AN EFFECT UPON DURING HER CAREER AND I THINK MANY OF US THINK WE'RE SORT OF LUCILLE'S CHILDREN IN THAT WAY IT TOOK A NUMBER OF YEARS FOR THEM TO ACCUMULATE WHAT THEY HAVE A LIFETIME I WOULD SAY THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THIS WANT TO SEE THEIR GIFTS ACCUMULATE, GROW THEY WANT TO SEE OTHER THINGS CARRIED ON AFTER THEY LEAVE I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE MY LIFESTYLE I DON'T WANT AIRPLANES AND YACHTS OR WHATEVER YOU DO WITH MONEY UH, THAT DOESN'T INTEREST ME I WANT TO LIVE..

I LIKE MY LIFESTYLE AND...

THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AND TO CHANGE IT WOULD BE UH, WELL... AGAINST THE GRAIN SHE'S BEEN A SINGER, ACTRESS, DIRECTOR, EDUCATOR, PATRON AND WIFE SHE'S VIVACIOUS, CULTURED, TALENTED, PERSEVERING WHETHER IN THE SPOTLIGHT OR BEHIND THE SCENES LUCILLE CAUDILL LITTLE ALWAYS TAKES CENTER STAGE WE WERE IN PROCESS HERE IN TALKING ABOUT YOUR ROOTS THAT YOU CREDIT WITH MAKING THE LUCILLE THAT WE KNOW TODAY TELL US A LITTLE... WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY I FEEL IT IS THE MOST...

THE ONE THING I'M MOST GRATEFUL FOR REALLY ARE MY PARENTS AND NOT JUST THEIR PERSONALITIES AND WHAT THEY DID IN LIFE BUT THE INFLUENCE THEY HAD ON ME AND THE VALUES THAT THEY ESTABLISHED THAT I WAS TO FOLLOW AND THE EMPHASIS ON EDUCATION I, I THINK THAT OUR FAMILY WAS THE DRIVING FORCE WITH ALL OF US AND MY FATHER WAS VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN EDUCATION AND DAD MEANT FOR US TO GET IN THERE AND DO SOMETHING AND UH, MAKE YOUR MARK SORT OF THE WHOLE PHILOSOPHY NOW YOU CAN DO IT ANYWAY YOU WANT TO BUT YOU NEED TO GET EDUCATED FIRST AND DAD DIDN'T CARE WHERE YOU WENT TO SCHOOL BUT YOU GO AND GET EDUCATED AND, AND I THINK THAT MEANT A LOT TO 'CILLE SHE WENT AROUND TO AN AWFUL LOT OF UNIVERSITIES AND STUDIED IN AN AWFUL LOT OF PLACES AND THEY HAD A VERY BROAD BASE AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN OF A GREAT ADVANTAGE TO HER BECAUSE SHE KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALL SORTS OF ARTS AND SHE APPRECIATES THEM ALL I THINK IN TERMS OF FAMILY A LOT CAME TO ALL OF US FROM MY GRANDFATHER WHO WE ALL KNEW AS PA CAUDILL HE INSTILLED IN US... AS I'M SURE IN 'CILLE AND ALL HIS CHILDREN THE REAL VALUE AND IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION AND USING WHATEVER GIFTS YOU HAD AND THAT YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT UH, AND I SUSPECT IN SOME WAYS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH 'CILLE TODAY THAT, THAT HAS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS FAMILY WHATEVER GIFT YOU WERE ENTRUSTED WITH THEN YOU HAD A RESPONSIBILITY TO USE THAT TO THE FULLEST YOU SAID YOUR FATHER WAS AN ATTORNEY AND HE LOVED EDUCATION WAS HE IN POLITICS?

A LITTLE BIT, BUT ONLY A LITTLE BIT HE RAN FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WON AND THEN HE WAS PRESSURED, THE POLITICS RULED EVERYTHING IN OUR AREA OF THE STATE, AS IT DOES TODAY AND ALWAYS HAS AND PEOPLE PRESSURED DAD TO RUN FOR JUDGE, CIRCUIT JUDGE AND SO HE GOT US ALL TOGETHER EVERY TIME THERE WAS A BIG DECISION MADE FOR THE FAMILY DADDY CALLED US ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WAY HIS FATHER DID IT AND WE VOTED HOW MANY WERE IN THE FAMILY?

HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN ON THESE VOTES WELL, I WAS THE OLDEST OF FIVE AND THEN THERE WAS LOUISE AND THEN THERE WAS MY BROTHER BOONE WHO... LOUISE WAS A DOCTOR AND BOONE WAS A LAWYER AND THEN THERE WAS SIX YEARS BEFORE ANOTHER ONE CAME AND THAT WAS BUD AND HE WAS A DENTIST AND THEN THERE WAS THE YOUNGEST ONE, PATTY AND PATTY NEVER REALLY... SHE WENT TO OHIO STATE BUT SHE NEVER REALLY FINISHED COLLEGE AND SHE SAID "WELL I DON'T KNOW WHAT I OUGHT TO DO "I GUESS I OUGHT TO BE A MORTICIAN AND I CAN TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY'S ERRORS" SO SHE DIDN'T REALLY DO IT SHE WENT ON AND HAD FIVE CHILDREN SO THAT WAS NICE FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE LOUISE AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY IT WAS ONLY PAT AND THE TWO BOYS AND THEY ALL HAD WONDERFUL CHILDREN SO YOU HAVE A LARGE AND WONDERFUL FAMILY, YET TODAY EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD NO CHILDREN OF YOUR OWN?

LOTS OF NIECES AND NEPHEWS AND GREAT NIECES AND NEPHEWS AND GREAT GREATS I'VE GOT TWO GREAT GREATS WELL, BACK TO YOUR MOM AND DAD'S THERE WERE FIVE CHILDREN AND YOUR FATHER WAS A VERY RESPECTED MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AND I'M SURE YOUR MOTHER WAS WERE THEY ALIKE, DID THEY... OH NO, OH NO, NO, NO, NO DAD WAS A STUDENT HE ALWAYS HAD A BOOK IN HIS HAND, AND BOOKS EVER PLACE AND INTRODUCING YOU TO THEM WHY, I'VE HAD HIM COME TO MY BED AND WAKE ME UP AT NIGHT AND SAY "WAKE UP, BIG SIS, I WANT TO READ THIS TO YOU" AND THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS WITH HIM IN DESCRIBING YOUR FATHER YOU, YOU TELL THE WAYS IN WHICH HE MOTIVATED THE COMMUNITY?

YES HE UH, PUSHED FOR POSITIVE CHANGE ABSOLUTELY UH, HE WAS A VERY GIVING PERSON, APPARENTLY YES HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY SPIRIT THAT HE WAS SO HE WAS QUITE A ROLE MODEL TO YOU THEN?

OH MY YES, ALL OF US TO ALL OF YOU AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTHER WAS MUCH THE SAME WAY AND YET A VERY DIFFERENT TEMPERAMENT?

WELL, YOU HAD TO WEAR YOUR GLOVES AND YOU HAD TO WEAR YOUR HAT AND YOU HAD TO HAVE EVERYTHING PRISSY AND... YOU KNOW YOU HAD TO BE A LADY AND SHE WAS VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT AND HOW... AND YOUR BEHAVIOR AND THAT YOU WENT TO SUNDAY SCHOOL AND CHURCH AND CHRISTIAN ENDEAVOR AND... YOU'RE VERY SURE OF YOUR VALUES OH, YES, OH YEAH I REALLY AM AND THAT...

I GOT THAT AT HOME I GOT THAT IN THE LITTLE TOWN OF MOREHEAD Fox: ALL RIGHT, BACK TO ROOTS AND BACK TO THE INFLUENCE OF PLACE AND YOU KNOW, THE GREAT THING ABOUT A LITTLE TOWN IS YOU KNOW EVERYONE, YOUR PEERS ARE THE WHOLE TOWN ACROSS THE RAILROAD, ACROSS THE CREEK NEIGHBORS, BACK OF YOU IN CHURCH WITH YOU, IN SCHOOL WITH YOU WHILE IN A CITY, UH, THE SIZE OF LEXINGTON OR EVEN SMALLER UH, YOU GO WITH ONE GROUP JUST PEERS AND YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW PEOPLE AND YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T ESTABLISH A SENSE OF VALUES LIKE YOU CAN IN A SMALLER PLACE WHERE YOU KNOW ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE AND I JUST THINK THAT I WAS FORTUNATE IN BEING BORN AND RAISED, UNTIL I WAS 15, IN A SMALL TOWN AND AFTER THAT, DAD, YOU KNOW WHAT MY DAD SAID COURSE HE LET ME GO TO HAMILTON, UH, SCHOOL FOR A WHILE I MEAN, THAT SORT OF WEANED ME AWAY FROM HOME, I GUESS UH, HE SAID "YOU HAD TO GO TO SCHOOL SOMETIME ABOVE THE MASON-DIXON LINE" OR HE DIDN'T THINK YOU'D BE EDUCATED WHEN DID YOU DECIDE TO GO INTO THE ARTS?

WHAT...

I MEAN I KNOW YOU LOVE THE CHAUTAUQUAS AND THINGS OH, MY!

BUT WHEN WAS THE TURNING POINT?

ALL OF MY LIFE, I HAD BEEN THE SOLOIST AT CHURCH AND I HAD TRIED AWFULLY HARD TO GET THE LEAD IN THE PLAYS AND THE SAMET SCHOOL AND I, I LOVED TO WALK UP IN THE HILLS BACK OF OUR HOME AND I HAD MY SPECIAL LITTLE PLACE YOU HAD A SPECIAL PLACE?

WHERE THE ARBUTUS GREW ON...

I LOVED IT, SO FRAGRANT AND THE UH, INDIAN PIPES, YOU CALLED THEM AND THE RHODODENDRON, AND I COULD GO ON AND ON THE FORGET-ME-NOTS AND THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER JUST A BEAUTIFUL SPOT I HAD AND I WOULD RAKE ROOMS, YOU KNOW RAKE...TAKE A LIMB AND THIS IS MY LIVING ROOM AND THIS IS MY MUSIC ROOM AND THIS IS MY DINING ROOM AND SO ON AND THEN, I WOULD PROCEED TO DO MY ACT WHATEVER CAME TO MY MIND OR TO MAKE A SPEECH OR TO SING A SONG AS LOUD AS I COULD THIS WAS YOUR PLACE... MY PLACE OH MY!

AND WAS THIS WHERE...

THE PLACE IN WHICH YOU DECIDED THAT YOU WANTED TO GO INTO THE ARTS?

WELL, I KNEW ALL MY LIFE THAT I WAS GOING TO SING AND ACT AND YOU KNOW...AND AS I SAY TODAY GIVE ME A CHANCE AND I'D TAKE CENTER STAGE AT 15, YOU GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL YOU WENT TO HAMILTON AND TRANSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY YOU WENT FROM THERE TO A SCHOLARSHIP AT OHIO STATE SAYING "CENTER STAGE" ALL THE WAY TO STETSON TO STETSON TO STETSON TO LOUISVILLE TO CHICAGO STUDYING IN THE SUMMER AND YOU SANG AT THE CHICAGO WORLD'S FAIR FOLLOWED SALLY RAND AND FROM THERE TO JUILLIARD IN NEW YORK AND IT WAS AT JUILLIARD... AND COLUMBIA AND COLUMBIA SEE I WENT TO COLUMBIA, I DID THE UH... WELL, THAT'S WHERE I DID DRAMA YOU WORKED FOR YEARS IN CHILDREN'S THEATER UH-HUH IN LEXINGTON?

LOVED IT FOR ME, THE, THE PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MOST MEMORABLE ABOUT 'CILLE IS THAT SHE INTRODUCED ME TO CHILDREN'S THEATER UH, AND THAT...

I THINK IN SOME WAYS, THE INTRODUCTION TO THAT MAGIC WORLD OF IMAGINATION INFLUENCED ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE UH, I WAS INTRIGUED TO WATCH MRS. LITTLE UH, WORK WITH CHILDREN SHE, SHE HAD A CONTAGIOUS ENTHUSIASM WITH CHILDREN UH, TO INTRIGUE THEM TO TRY SOMETHING TO ENTICE THEM TO BE ENTHUSIASTIC, ALIVE AND VIBRANT AND THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER WORKING WITH HER IN CHILDREN'S THEATER YOU...

I THINK OF YOU THOUGHT OF YOU FIRST AS A SINGER AND DANCER NO, NOT DANCER JUST SINGER?

SINGER AND ACTRESS ACTRESS?

IT WAS SINGING AND ACT... NOW I TELL YOU WHAT I'VE GOT A SPECIAL DISPENSATION WITH SAINT PETER WHEN I DIE, HE'S GOING TO HAVE THE BEST DANCERS UP THERE READY FOR ME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS WANTED TO DO AND NEVER DID AND SO YOU WILL DANCE?

I WILL YOU WILL DANCE YOUR DANCE AND I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT DIRECTING A PLAY WHEN YOU... OH, I LOVE DIRECTING YOU'VE BEEN A DIRECTOR?

YES FACT IS, I'VE LOVED ... YOU LIKED THAT BETTER THAN CENTER STAGE?

DIRECTING WITH CHILDREN I LIKED IT WITH ADULTS TOO AND YOU KNOW I STARTED A DRAMA DEPARTMENT AT MOREHEAD NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UH-HUH I DID, AND I TAUGHT VOICE UP THERE FOR... A YEAR OR TWO, LONG, WHICH WAS IT?

AND THEN I GOT SICK OF WHAT THEY DID AND I GOT UP AND...

I DID BAD THING WHAT DID YOU DO, LUCILLE?

I GOT UP IN CHAPEL AND I SAID "THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD NOT DO THIS, TO THE STUDENTS" AND SO I, I UH, BEFORE I GOT FIRED, I RESIGNED YOU BECAME AN ACADEMIC DISSIDENT OH REALLY, IT WAS TERRIBLE WHAT WAS GOING ON OH, IT REALLY WAS THEY WERE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH ALL THE MUSIC AND ALL THE ART AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT AND THEY WERE TAKING THE RELAXING ROOMS... AWAY FROM THE DORMITORIES IT JUST... AND EVERYBODY ON CAMPUS WAS DOWN IN THE FACE AND, AND "WHAT'S GOING ON?

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE SCHOOL?"

AND SO I SIMPLY HAD THE NERVE TO GET UP IN CHAPEL AND SAY, "THIS CAN'T BE" WELL, NOW WHY WERE THEY DOING THIS?

SAVE MONEY SO THE CULTURE WARS HAVE BEEN WITH US A LONG TIME I MEAN, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS SAME KIND OF EXAMINATION RIGHT NOW IN OUR CULTURE AND UH, ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL DOLLAR UH, IN THE ARTS I HAVE SAVED FOR YOU, I HAVE NOT BROUGHT TO YOU THE RESPONSES I HAD FROM ALL OF OUR CONGRESSMEN WHEN I SENT THEM A LETTER AND I WAS SHOCKED AND I WILL NEVER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ONE OR TWO OF THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT EDUCATION IS FROM THEIR LETTERS AND FROM THE STATEMENTS THEY MADE TO ME WHY DO WE HAVE SUCH MEN RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?

WHY DON'T WE GET OUT AND VOTE?

LIKE YOUR FATHER SAID... THAT'S THE ANSWER YOUR FATHER'S ANSWER, VOTE YOUR FATHER WOULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT YES WELL, WERE YOUR PARENTS REALLY PLEASED WHEN YOU WENT INTO THE ARTS?

I WOULD INFER THAT YOUR PARENTS WERE PLEASED NO MATTER WHAT YOU DID YEAH Fox: AS LONG AS IT WAS HONEST AND... WELL, DAD BELIEVED YOU OUGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO AND WHAT YOU COULD DO THE BEST I REMEMBER IN 1950, WHEN THE NEW FINE ARTS BUILDING THAT THE UNIVERSITY WAS OPENED THE FIRST PLAY DONE THERE, IN FEBRUARY OF 1950 WAS MEDEA, EURIPIDES' MEDEA AND MRS. LITTLE PLAYED THE TITLE CHARACTER AND I WENT TO SEE THAT PRODUCTION AND WAS EXTREMELY IMPRESSED SHE WAS QUITE COMMANDING ON THE STAGE IN THAT ROLE THAT WAS... TO SEE 'CILLE ON STAGE WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL WAS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL TRANSFORMING...

AWESOME THINGS I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT MY AUNT COULD DO THAT SORT OF THING AND CREATE A WHOLE NEW WORLD I SAT ENTRANCED AND I...

WHENEVER 'CILLE DID ANYTHING I WAS GOING TO BE THERE TO SEE IT I'M SURE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MEDEA WHEN I SAW IT AT EIGHT YEARS OLD BUT I CERTAINLY SAT THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE ROLE OF ART AND I'LL SAY ART AND EDUCATION I HAVE A HARD TIME SEPARATING THE TWO WELL, THEY SHOULDN'T BE SEPARATED THAT'S THE REASON I MEAN UH...

IN SOCIETY?

I CAN INFER WHAT YOU MEAN ALL DISCIPLINES, ALL DISCIPLINES JOINED TOGETHER MAKES AN EDUCATED PERSON IF WE DON'T WAKE UP, AND SPEAK OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OUR WHOLE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS GOING BACK TO THE THREE R'S AND I MEAN, READING, 'RITING, AND 'RITHMETIC I THINK IT I REALLY DO IT SEEMS TO BE A MOVEMENT IN THAT DIRECTION AND YOU WOULD SAY, IF THEY GO... DO ONLY THE THREE R'S THAT IT IS AN INCOMPLETE EDUCATION IT IS AN INCOMPLETE EDUCATION YOU DO NOT KNOW THE WORLD AROUND YOU YOU DON'T KNOW THE SONGBIRDS YOU DON'T KNOW THE SOUND OF THE RIVER YOU DON'T KNOW THE, THE INTERPLAY OF PEOPLE AND OF IDEAS AND WELL... WE COULD GO ON AND ON, THE THINGS YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IF YOU DIDN'T...

IF YOU WEREN'T EXPOSED TO ALL OF THEM THE DISCIPLINES BUT THAT'S, THAT SEEMS TO GO RIGHT BACK TO YOUR EXPERIENCES BACK TO YOUR ROOTS, YOUR SPECIAL PLACE WELL...

IN THE MOUNTAIN YEAH, I GUESS YOUR UH, YOUR CHAUTAUQUAS YEAH THE WHOLE SENSE OF COMMUNITY ALL THESE THEMES KEEP RUNNING THROUGH... WELL, I THINK LIFE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING TO BE A WHOLE PERSON YOU'RE NOT A WHOLE PERSON IF YOU DON'T KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT ALL AND THAT'S THE FUNCTION OF ARTS?

THAT'S THE FUNCTION OF LIFE WELL THEN, AS YOU HAVE LOOKED THEN, AND GOING AND GOING BACK AGAIN, TO TIE IN NOW TO YOUR GIVING UH, YOUR GIVING REALLY REFLECTS YOURS AND PAUL'S SHARED VALUES?

YES I REMEMBER YOU TELLING ME ONE TIME THAT WHEN PAUL LITTLE SAW A HORSE HE SAW THINGS NOBODY ELSE SAW LET'S TALK ABOUT PAUL JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE TO ME TO PAUL, HORSES WERE ART OH, YES THEY WERE A DISTINCT FORM OF ART HE WOULD LOOK OVER THERE AND HE'S SAY, "YOU SEE THAT HORSE OVER THERE, COMING IN?

I SOLD THAT HORSE TWO YEARS AGO" WELL... AND I BET HE COULD TELL YOU LOTS OF THINGS ABOUT THAT HORSE, COULDN'T HE?

YES!

HE SAW...

WHEN HE LOOKED AT A HORSE HE SAW WHAT I SEE LOOKING AT A HUMAN BEING SO HE LOVED...

HE, HE REALLY WAS SO SUCCESSFUL AT IT BECAUSE HE LOVED THEM, SO MUCH OR...

HE LOVED THEM AND HE UNDERSTOOD THEM BUT HE JUST KNEW HOW TO MANAGE HORSES AND PAUL WAS VERY RECEPTIVE TO ANYTHING NEW AND DIFFERENT HE GOT TO THE PLACE THAT HE ALMOST ENJOYED THE OPERAS MORE THAN I DID I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE WENT THE FALL BEFORE HE DIED IN '90 IT WAS IN '89 AND WE WENT UP THERE FOR UH, AN OPENING OF PAVAROTTI AND SWATHMORE AND DURING ONE OF THE OPERAS... WELL, I CAN REMEMBER IT HAPPENING TWICE UH, YOU KNOW WHEN SOMETHING THAT I SANG A LOT...

I DO LIKE THAT YOU KNOW, HE'D WANT ME TO BE QUIET SO HE COULD HEAR IT BUT HE GOT TO THE PLACE THAT HE REALLY RECOGNIZED MUSIC AND I CAN REMEMBER, I NEVER COULD TEACH HIM...

I'D GO FROM HERE TO MOREHEAD, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHRISTMAS TIME AND TRY TO TEACH HIM "MY OLD KENTUCKY HOME" OR A CHRISTMAS CAROL I NEVER COULD HE OR LOUISE EITHER COULDN'T CARRY A TUNE IN A BASKET AS THEY SAY BUT, HE REMEMBERED THEM AND HE APPRECIATED MUSIC AND HE, HE GOT GREAT DELIGHT OUT OF THE THINGS I DID LIKE I GOT GREAT DELIGHT OUT OF THE THINGS HE DID AND THEY WERE SO DIVERSE WELL, I CAN TELL THAT YOUR LIFE TOGETHER WAS A VERY HAPPY ONE OH, WE ARGUED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE BUT WE SETTLED IT WELL, WHAT DID YOU CONSIDER YOU BIGGEST SUCCESS, AS A COUPLE?

WELL...

LIVING TOGETHER STAYING TOGETHER?

STAYING TOGETHER, YES CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS, AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN I THINK THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT SORT OF PULL YOU APART CHILDREN MAKE IT IMPORTANT AND ULTIMATE THAT YOU STAY TOGETHER THEIR RELATIONSHIP... WHAT I REMEMBER IS HE WAS THE BUSINESSMAN AND SHE TOOK CARE OF THINGS AT HOME IT WAS A FAIRLY TRADITIONAL ROLE EXCEPT THAT I SUSPECTED, WE'RE TALKING SOME TIME AGO I SUSPECT THAT IT WAS NOT A TRADITIONAL ROLE FOR A WOMAN, AT THAT POINT, TO BE OUT DOING SO MUCH UH, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE STAGE OR ARTISTICALLY AND HE, CERTAINLY, MUST HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BECAUSE SHE, SHE DID IT AND HE WAS THERE WHEN SHE DID IT IT, IT'S MY OBSERVATION THAT PAUL WAS THE BUSINESS PERSON INVOLVED AND LUCILLE ROUNDED HIM OUT, THROUGH HER LOVE FOR THE ARTS PAUL WOULD SAY TO LUCILLE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING "THAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

"WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, IS THIS A GOOD DEAL?

OR IS IT NOT?"

AND SHE WAS A VERY GOOD SOUNDI@ BOARD FOR PAUL AND ALLOWED HIM TIME TO THINK AND RECONSIDER HIS DECISIONS AND SO FORTH I THINK SHE SORT OF MADE HER DECISION WHETHER SHE WOULD SING AND PLAY OR WHETHER SHE WOULD BE A WIFE THAT WAS A BIG DECISION, FOR HER, I THINK SOMETHING YOU SAID TO ME WHEN YOU MADE YOUR BEQUEATH TO KET WHEN YOU MADE YOUR DECISION TO GIVE TO KET REALLY STRUCK ME, THOUGH THE THING THAT I'VE QUOTED TO SO MANY PEOPLE IN VERY PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WHEN YOU SAID "A GIFT ISN'T A GIFT IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS" YES AND I REMEMB- AND THAT, AND THAT...AND UH... YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED AT KET, I DON'T UH, AND WHATEVER THE ORGANIZATION IS I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SET UP A LIBRARY BUT I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT A LIBRARY IS I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT KET IS I, I CAN EVALUATE BUT I CAN NOT TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT AND I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T HAVE THOSE TALENTS YOU CAN'T HAVE...

I MEAN I HAVE A... MY LITTLE MINIMAL TALENT'S OVER HERE BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T DIRECT EVERYTHING I WANT TO GIVE TO WHAT DO YOU HOPE THE LEGACY OF THIS GIVING WILL BE?

THE WHAT?

LEGACY OF YOUR GIVING I CAN INFER THAT YOU YOU WANT TO STIMULATE CHILDREN'S INTEREST IN AND LOVE OF THE ARTS AND CREATIVITY IN CHILDREN THAT IS MY MAJOR STATEMENT UH, I, I GIVE TO DEVELOP UH, EDUCATION THROUGH THE FINE ARTS, I SAY TO DEVELOP CREATIVITY THAT HAS BEEN THE STATEMENT AND UH, THAT'S IT UH, EDUCATION TO ME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN OUR LIVES AND I PERSONALLY THINK WE'VE GOT TO BRING THE FINE ARTS INTO IT AND DEVELOP THE CREATIVITY UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT...

THE ARTS DO FOR EDUCATION AND THEN I THINK OF MY SISTER, IN SCIENCE AND I THINK, "WELL, HEAVENS TO BETSY, YES SHE WAS CREATIVE OR SHE WOULDN'T BE WHAT SHE WAS" BUT YOU SEE THAT'S OUR WHOLE IDEA IN THE FAMILY IS THAT, THAT ALL OF THE DISCIPLINES UNITE TO EDUCATE THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE REALLY NOT EDUCATED UNTIL YOU HAVE A SENSE OF FEELING AND AN UNDERSTANDING FOR ARTS MATH, LA TI DA, LA TI DA, LA TI DA, THE WHOLE WORKS AND YOU ARE AS EDUCATED AS YOU ARE INFORMED IN ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT UH, DISCIPLINES AND UNDERSTAND THEM NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE PROFICIENT AND HAVE A TALENT BUT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND SHE HAS LIVED WELL IN HER LIFE BUT I DON'T THINK OF LUCILLE AS BEING AN EXTRAVAGANT PERSON UH, THE FIRST PLAY WE DID AT STAIR STUDIO IN 1953 CALLED FOR SOME, THE USE OF SOME LAWN FURNITURE WELL, WE WENT OUT TO LUCILLE'S HOUSE AND CARTED OFF ALL OF HER LAWN FURNITURE AND BROUGHT IT DOWN TO STAIR STUDIO TO USE ON THAT SET SHE IS VERY FRUGAL IN MANY WAYS I THINK 'CILLE IS TO BE COMMENDED IMMENSELY FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE I THINK SHE HAS, HAS BEEN VERY GENEROUS UH, BECAUSE SHE'S BASICALLY STINGY SO THIS ALL IS...

UH, I MEAN, IT ISN'T HER BASIC WAY OF LIVING BUT SHE'S BEEN VERY FREE AND I THINK SHE'S ENJOYED IT A LOT I THINK PART OF WHAT SHE'S GIVING BACK, NOW TO GENERATIONS TODAY, WITH GIFTS IS THE POSSIBILITY TO BRING ALIVE THAT IMAGINATION AND THAT CREATIVITY WHICH IS WHAT MAKES US FULL PEOPLE IN MY PROFESSION, I CALL THAT GOD THAT'S THE GOD THAT LIVES WITHIN US UH, THAT MAKES EACH OF US HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE AN ARTIST AND A CREATOR AND UH, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE GIFT SHE'S GIVING TODAY WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT STRIKES ME IS, YOU KNOW THE MANY THINGS THAT ARE REMARKABLE ABOUT YOU ARE NOT SO MUCH YOUR LIFESTYLE BUT YOUR LIFE STYLE LIFE WHAT?

YOU LIVE YES, I'VE LIVED I WAS JUST PUTTING THE EMPHASIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY YOU LIVE EVERY SECOND YEAH, I TRY TO AND YOU ENJOY IT AND IT SHOWS YEAH AND THAT'S WHY IT'S FUN TO BE AROUND YOU WELL, I THINK IT'S SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO TO BE ON THE POSITIVE SIDE AND KIND OF BRUSH THAT NEGATIVE AWAY OR DO SOMETHING TO OVERSHADOW IT Fox: YEAH, YOU ALWAYS MAKE IT FUN [Closed captioning by the KET Caption Center] [was made possible by a grant] [from the Honorable Order of Kentucky Colonels] [and in part by a grant from The Lexington Lions Club] [and a gift from the Lloyd E. Rigler-Lawrence E. Deutsch Foundation]